Southam's brewery pubs.

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Robert H
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Way, way back in 1938 5 photographs were taken outside an old Southams hostelry.

Pic 1.  2 ladies clutching 2 glasses of beer out side the entrance of the pub, the date over the door being 1620. One of these ladies being my mother, the other my friends mother Joyce ETCHELLS.

Pic 2. A group of children playing with a pump, myself being the little brat 2nd from the left, the tall one being my brother and the smallest my friend Patrick ETCHELLS.

Pic 3. The same pump. You will now know the pub belonged to Southams brewery.

Pic 4. The group of us sitting on the grass which I am presuming is within walking distance of the said pub.

Pic 5. Shows from the rear, myself, my mother, Patrick and his father David ETCHELLS, who would have been the person taking the other pictures?

Can anyone help me by putting a name to the pub please.I have a suspicion that it is the Royal Oak on the Clee Hill which unfortunately is now closed, but having Googled the pub I am not too convinced. I have obtained a list of 84 tied Southam pubs from the Shropshire Archives but I am having to call on outside help from members of this forum to see if the place can be pinpointed.

I would be most grateful for any help that can be offered.

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Robert H
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   I appear to be having difficulty in loading all 5 pictures.

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Robert H
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I should like to keep this thread going please. There have been 41 viewers so far but no reports to my question, not even a suggestion. Surely someone has an inkling as to where the pictures were taken?

 

Robert.

Robert H
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To date there have now been 721 viewers to this post Can I keep it alive by reminding folks that I would still appreciate any help that could be offered.

 Thank you

 

Robert.

Ken Richards
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I cannot identify the pub, but suggest you narrow the possibilities by cross referencing the list of Southam pubs with an historic large-scale map showing the pubs in the area.

I use the map series available at the following website:

http://maps.nls.uk/index.html

The site is based in Scotland but includes OS maps for  England and Wales.

Decide the direction from which the family visited Clee Hill, and how they got there (car, bus, train). Pictures 4 and 5 should help. Look for clues in the landscape, and consider the easiest path for young children and grownups in their Sunday clothes.

As to pubs, there are several possibilities around the village of Cleehills, for example:  the Royal Oak, which you mention, the Golden Cross, the Victoria (now Kremlin) and the Craven Arms.  The date on the door post (Photo 1) is a clue for local historians. There may be a reference to this in the Victoria County History:

http://www.victoriacountyhistory.ac.uk/

Other villages may have been starting points.

Having narrowed the possibilities you could cross reference your findings with views in Google Streetview and photographs at Geograph:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/

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My Grandparents used to keep the Cross Guns, Crow’s Nest, Snailbeach up until about the 1920’s. I have done a bit of work on it but the date over the door 1620 doesn't go with it. I was told that this pub was owned by the Southams brewery. The windows look a bit like it though? 

  • 1851 - No public house on census.
  • 1861 - No Census Available.
  • 1871 - Martha ROWSON and her son, John ROWSON owned Cross Guns.
  • 1881 - John ROWSON took over from his Mother.
  • 1891 - John ROWSON still at pub.
  • 1911 - William/ Elizabeth MANSELL owned it.
  • 1911?-1918 Annie BISHOP (nee BRADDICK) owned it and was killed in 1918 outside pub. She was the niece of Annie SALTER.
  • 1918 - ? My Grandparents owned it after that.

Would it be possible for you to confirm that the Cross Guns was owned by Southams please? 

angela35
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Having looked on Trip Advisor at some pics, if you look at pic 5, I think that that's the same old door for The Royal Oak at Cardington. Hope that helps. Angela

 

 

Robert H
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Thank you folks for the last three replies. I am investigating.

Robert

Robert H
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Lovely try Angela but on comparing the photograph outside the front door there is a window slightly to the left above the door. The Oak in Cardington has a dormer window above the door and is a single story building otherwise. As regards to the Snailbeach pub I think we can discount that. Thank you for trying though.

Robert.

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My suggestion is the Drum & Monkey now the Callow this pub was owned by Southams I worked there in 1960 when the pub was officially named the Drum & Monkey. I can't remember the official name it was something like red lion or new inn or the sun a very simple name. Memory loss sorry, if you had asked me 20 years ago I would have remembered.  Geoff

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The Callow as it is now is Upper Bromlow Stiperstones 

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Found it, It was called the Cottage Inn until 1960 Then the Drum & Monkey now the Callow Upper Bromlow Minsterley Shropshire 

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New lavatories, Royal Oak Inn, Clee Hill, Bitterley, Southams

1944 this pub was Southams 

Robert H
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Sorry to neglect this site but I have eventually found the pub it is The Halfway house at Eardington.