I would like to find out any information about my great grandfather Samuel Thomas GUNTRIP. I understand he lived in the district of Atcham, he was married to Mary in 1904 and his occupation was a falconer / gamekeeper. He had several children ... Gladys - 1904 , Agnes - 1906 , Edna - 1909 , Elsie e - 1910 and John Valentine ( my grandad ) - 1912 . There may be others we don't know about ? . Where did he live ! Where did he work ! and what happened to him. There is no record of his death, we understand that he was going to live in the U.S.A. but this would have been about the start of World War 2, I've looked on various websites but keep coming up blank, would be grateful for any information about him or any of his descendants. I understand that Atcham is no longer a district anymore and that the records are kept in Shrewsbury, can anyone confirm this as I hope to visit the area soon to do more research.
Many thanks..
Hello again
There are POSSIBLE additional births as follows:-
Ada M 1914
Sidney T 1917
Dorothy S 1920
Male (unnamed) 1925 Death registered 1925
So these potentially put your family in west Shropshire up to 1925 but you will need to see the Baptism entries and/or a Birth Certificate to make sure they are the same family.
In Kelly's Directory of Shropshire, 1913 (see Historical Directories web site) there is an entry under Great Wollaston as follows:-
GUNTRIP John, gamekeeper to G. W. S. Sparrow Esq. The Lodge
Later in the same Directory where it lists TRADES, under Gamekeepers the above information is repeated.
The 1913 directory is the most recent that is available on the Internet but if you are coming to visit the area you should visit Shropshire Archives in Shrewsbury where they have a large collection of Trade Directories. It would be a fairly easy (and quick) job to search through each one after 1913 to see when the entry changes under Great Wollaston and Trades. I can tell you that Mr Sparrow is not listed at The Lodge and your family are not listed under Gamekeepers in the 1941 Kelly's Directory.
There are several references to your family on the Family Search web site if you just search for Samuel GUNTRIP.
Returning to my previous message and the point that only one child was at home in the 1911 census further checking for the other children has shown up a potential error in your research. Gladys - 1904, Agnes - 1906 and Edna - 1909 are all shown in the 1911 census as the children of Henry and Matilda GUNTRIP a Licensed Victualler living in Shrewsbury.
I think you need to take a careful look at your research notes and then post some clarification here of the information which you have confirmed for those people who are definitely your family.
Mike
Hi, I have just Googled "G.W.S. Sparrow, Esquire, Shropshire" and this gives the gentleman as of "Albrighton Hall, Shrewsbury". He also appears to have been a learned chap as his name crops up a number of times regarding transcription and collating of parish registers for a number of parishes including Diddlebury, Astley and Westbury circa 1912. Seems appropriate to our cause, doesn't it. Hazel;
Thanks Mike , I know my info was sketchy, I have only just started looking into my family history and basically had nothing to go on except the surname, My grandad would not mention his family at all, as it turns out he and his father Samuel Thomas parted on bad terms .
For your research to be any use to you it is vital that you work steadily backwards from yourself to your parents and grandparents using any family information you can get together with documentary evidence like Birth, Marriage and Death certificates and/or Baptism, Marriage and Burial entries from Church registers. Make sure you have the correct family at each stage using more than one source to prove it.
If you don't have the above information for any particular event then you can look up the Births, Marriages and Deaths indexes on FreeBMD (which is completely free) and on the commercial sites Ancestry.co.uk and Find my Past.co.uk but you will have to pay for any information beyond the basic indexes but they can be very helpful. You may be able to use one of these commercial sites at your local Library or Archives if you don't have a subscription.
Once you get get back for the first hundred years then you will be able to use the Census (1841-1911) and this is one of our best sources. It is available on the commercial sites mentioned above and some others.
Mike
THANKYOU FOR ALL THE ADVICE , I WILL TAKE IT ONBOARD AND HOPEFULLY I WILL SOON FIND WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR ...
My grandfather was Sydney Thomas Guntrip, Samuel's son, he was born Jan 1917 and served during WW2. The information you have regarding the gamekeeper is all correct. I have traced the Guntrip routes back to Brill in Oxfordshire at the start of the 1800s and they all worked on the land. From my research i believe that my grandfather didnt get on very well with his father, reason unknown at this time. I was raised in Bridgnorth and know the area very well, my grandfather moved to Birmingham after the War and worked in a Factory until he retired in the mid 90s. Hope this helps. if you need anymore info I will check back in a few days.
Regards
Keith
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Hello
Atcham was the name of the Registration District for central and west Shropshire from 1837 to 1935 after which most of it became known as Shrewsbury Registration District. See GENUKI for more details.
As well as being a registration district in the past, Atcham is, and always has been, the name of a Parish situated south east of Shrewsbury on what used to be the A5 road (now the B4380).
Do I assume you have not looked at the 1911 census which shows Samuel Thomas GUNTRIP born Somerset, his wife Mary born Birmingham and their youngest child Elsie Emma born Worthen, Shropshire all living at Vron Gate, Westbury, Shropshire which is west of Shrewsbury - see location on Google maps. Confusingly Vron Gate was part of Atcham Registration District although the two places are miles apart. By the way, none of their other children are at home in the 1911 census.
Mike