MANSELL

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Jeffdmansell
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Our trail has run cold on our oldest known relative William MANSELL. Born 1686 (about) in Pontsbury married Anne HANLY on April 9th 1711. I have been looking through the Parish records to no avail. I might be looking in the wrong place to find his birth or baptism record with his parents listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards. Jeff

angela35
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Hi Jeff, if you are on Facebook, there's a really interesting site called PONTESBURY AND SURROUNDING VILLAGES PAST AND PRESENT . I know that a WILLIAM MANSELL in 1911 kept the Cross Guns inn in Crows Nest as it belonged to my Grandparents in the 1920's . You may find someone on there who is related to him. I checked findmypast site for you but only the marriage is on. The only other site is familysearch in Lilleshall which isn't Nr PONTESBURY.

Name: William Mansell
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Jan 1688
Christening Place: LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date: 07 Oct 1700
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Walter Mansell
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Susanna
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03272-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 502934, 510666
Reference ID:

Pam Willing
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Hi Jeff, I believe you are referring to William Mansell, father of William, Thomas, Edward (bap 1720) , Mary and John. If so, we are related and I can help you. In the Burgess Rolls for Shrewsbury you will find a reference to a William Mansell, gardener of Berriew, who was sworn in in 1721. I don't know how much you know about the burgesses, but one of the ways you could become a burgess was by proving your descent from an earlier burgess; hence genealogy was/is very important. The original records used to be kept at the Guildhall when it was on Dogpole, but I think they may now be deposited at Shropshire Archives. Certainly Shropshire Archives has a printed book in the Local Studies section. William's son Thomas was sworn in in 1769 and several of William's grandsons were sworn in in 1796 (this was how I first picked up the trail). William's father, Michael Mansell a weaver who lived in Abbey Foregate, Shrewsbury was also sworn in in 1721. If you can prove unbroken male descent from a burgess then you are entitled to be sworn in and I know that Shrewsbury are keen to continue the tradition. Unfortunately I am a mere woman and anyway my descent is through my grandmother whose maiden name was Mansell. If you contact SFHS I'm sure they can arrange an exchange of email addresses. I would love to hear from you.

SFHS WebMaster
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Hi Pam, I've sent it to Jeff.

bristolloggerheads
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Lots of Lilleshall Mansells from around this time have probates /inventories at Hereford RO. On the face of it they don't look like your branch.

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Jeffdmansell
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Angela,  Thank you so very much.  I am going to follow this lead.  I cannot thank you enough for your efforts on my behalf.  Ill keep you posted.

Jeffdmansell
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Pamela,  I have sent a couple emails your direction I want to verify you have received them.  Please let me know. 

Kindest Regards

Jeff

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You're very welcome .

Ian Perrin
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Hi Pam, After a gap of a few years I am restarting my research into my Mansell ancestors in the Pontesbury area. At the time I struggled (atleast with any certainty!) to get beyond Samuel Mansell b.1868; son of John Mansell b.1826 and Martha, but I did have pencilled-in that earlier ancestors were Edward b.1720, son of William Mansell and Anne Hanly, and son of Michael, which seems to match names and dates you mention in your reply to Jeff in 2011. I would be very interested to learn more about this branch of my tree and would be grateful for any further details. I was also interested to learn about the entitlement to become a burgess but alas the male line was broken when my grandfather (Harold Redvers Mansell) begat only daughters!

Kind regards,

Ian Perrin

Nikki Mansell Day
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hello

i am the great grand daughter of a John Mansell who died in 1922 in Pembrokeshire( he was left there with his maternal grandma of the death of his mum in 1844) but he was the surviving grandson of a John Mansell through his son William and his wife Anne Mansell. William emigrated to Australia. 

I have been told that John Mansell the elder was of a family from Shropshire . I see that another William Mansell may have been a yeoman of Abbey foregate in Shrewsbury and features in a declaration made before a master in chancery in 1847 and kept at Kew archives ref: 3693/1/14. If anyone can tell me anything about or point me in the direction of any other publications mentioning the family I’d be so grateful.

thanks Nikki 

 

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Hi Nikki,Before I go any further with my research is the below the John Mansell you are asking about?

Best Regards

John Paul J

Death:
First name(s)     John
Last name     Mansell
Gender     Male
Death quarter     2
Death year     1922
Age     79
Birth month     -
Birth year     1843
District Narberth
Volume     11A
Birth day     -
Page     1233
County     Pembrokeshire
Country     Wales
Record set     England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from     Great Britain, Wales

Burial:
First name(s)     John    Abode:Frolly Farm? (Folley Farm)
Last name     Mansell
Burial date     04 May 1922
Burial year     1922
Age     79
Birth year     1843
Place     Begelly
Archive year range     -
Record set     Pembrokeshire Burials
Page     96
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Burials
Parish     Begelly
County     Pembrokeshire
Country     Wales
Collections from     Wales, Great Britain

 

Nikki Mansell Day
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Hi Johnp3,

I am so sorry but I didnt see your reply in response to my post.

This is the right family line but John Mansell who died 1922 at Folly Farm Begelly is my Great grandfather, bp 1847 by his Grandparents after his mum and younger brother had died in Pontypool, and he was left with his maternal Grandma and her new husband, William Morse. John Mansell (Bp 1847) was the son of William Mansell, he was born in Mynydilwyn, baptised Varteg Oct 1820 who in turn was the son of the couple John Mansel and Mary Pugh married Dec 1819 in Mynydisslwyn. Its this John Mansel who married 1819 who I have little family Knowledge about. We thought William Mansell b 1820 went to Australia after the death of his wife but I am now looking at a possible remarriage in Monmouthshire later on. Any help gratefully received. Nikki

 

 

 

 

 

 

johnp3
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Hi Nikki, See below I've found a possible birth & two possible marriage's for a Thomas Mansell. Also two possible baptism's for a John Mansell.

Do you have Much info on the Pugh family?

I've found some Pugh's that I think are likely to be of your lineage.

Best Regards

J.P
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Possible:
Baptism:
First name(s)     Thos
Last name     Mansell
Birth date     09 Mar 1771
Baptism date     07 Apr 1771
Place     Shrewsbury, St Chad's
Father's first name(s)     Thos
Mother's first name(s)     Ann
Mother's last name     -
Residence     -
County     Shropshire
Birth year     1771
Register type     Baptism & Burial
Register date range     1769-1799
Baptism year     1771
Archive reference     P253/A/1/4
Page     10
Denomination     Anglican
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     Great Britain, England

Possible:
Marriage:
First name(s)     Thos
Last name     Mansell
Residence     Shrewsbury, St Chad's
Marriage date     20 Dec 1796
Marriage place     Shrewsbury, St Chad's
Spouse's first name(s)     Jane
Spouse's last name     Cartwright
Spouse's residence     Shrewsbury, St Chad's
Wit:Thos Cartwright, Eleanor Maroshol?
County     Shropshire
Register date range     1791-1807
Marriage year     1796
Archive reference     P253/A/3/4
Page     111
Register type     Marriage
Denomination     Anglican
Record set     Shropshire Marriages
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
Collections from     Great Britain, England
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Possible:
Marriage:
First name(s)     Thomas OTP   All signed their names
Last name     Mancell
Residence     Shrewsbury, St Julian's
Marriage date     13 Dec 1793
Marriage place     Shrewsbury, St Julian's
Spouse's first name(s)     Emma OTP
Spouse's last name     Boothby
Spouse's residence     Shrewsbury, St Julian's
Wit:Ann Mansell,Thos Reynolds
Marriage year     1793
Register date range    1791-1812
Archive reference     P256/A/3/2
Page     17
Register type     Marriage
Denomination     Anglican
Record set     Shropshire Marriages
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
County     Shropshire
Collections from     Great Britain, England
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Possible:
Baptism:
First name(s)     John   
Last name     Mansell
Baptism date     16 Nov 1800
Birth date     17 Oct 1800
Residence     -  Abode:Frankwell
Place     Shrewsbury, St Chad's
Father's first name(s)     Thos
Mother's first name(s)     Jane
Mother's last name     -
Baptism year     1800
Birth year     1800
County     Shropshire
Register type     Baptism & Burial
Register date range     1800-1812
Archive reference     P253/A/1/5
Page     10
Denomination     Anglican
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     Great Britain, England
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Possible:
Baptism:
First name(s)     Thomas
Last name     Mansell
Residence     - Abode:Frankwell
Baptism date     11 Jun 1798
Birth date     19 Mar 1798
Place     Shrewsbury, St Chad's
Father's first name(s)     Thomas
Mother's first name(s)     Jane
Mother's last name     -
County     Shropshire
Birth year     1798
Register type     Baptism & Burial
Register date range     1769-1799
Baptism year     1798
Archive reference     P253/A/1/4
Page     160
Denomination     Anglican
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     Great Britain, England

 

Ruth
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I have Andrew Mancell Died 1750 in Ightfield Shropshire  bap abt 1686? his son James Mancell died abt 1776  married Mary Jenkins, their daughter Caterine Mancell Married William Madeley 1761 Ightfield, their daughter Mary Madeley married my 4x great grandfather Thomas Skitt in Calverhall (Corra) Shropshire 1797. they came up on my D N A .

Nikki Mansell Day
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Hello Johnp3,

Thank you for your reply. I will look into those 2 baptisms. My feeling is that they may not be my John as there are no other known Thomases in that part my family and so it seems to be at variance to the naming pattern.

John's wife, Mary Ann Pugh, I now find remarried in 1837 as a widow and by the 1840 census had two more children of her own and two sons by her second husband's previous marriage living with them. Her two smallest children from her marriage to John mansell now lived with her oldest son and his new wife almost next door to her and her new husband William Morgan.

Yes the Pughs John married into had a trail in shropshire,Mary's brother was around Mynydisslwyn in the 1820 and then lived around the iron and coal works near Pontypool for a generation or two.

Best,

Nikki

Nikki Mansell Day
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Hello Ruth,

Oh that's intersting. I can only hope that I can get that far back!

Nikki

 

Ruth
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Hello Nikki

              Andrew Mansell was farming at Ightfield he married Mary Gregory 1740 in Prees  Parish Church He died 1770 at Ightfield his will is on F M P  his son James Mansell also left a will 

 Ruth

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Hi Nikki, the info on the Pugh's I found many many months ago.

Best Regards

J.P

Marriage:
First name(s)     John  Signed his Name
Last name     Pugh  OTP of Baschurch
Residence     Baschurch
Marriage date     26 Nov 1784
Marriage place     Meole Brace
Spouse's first name(s)     Mary  Signed her name
Spouse's last name     Clayton
Spouse's residence     Meole Brace
Wit:Elizabeth Pugh Signed X
Register date range     1754-1791
Marriage year     1784
Archive reference     P186/A/3/1
Page     62
Register type     Marriage
Denomination     Anglican
Record set     Shropshire Marriages
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
Collections from     Great Britain, England
County     Shropshire

Marriage:     
First name(s)     John     OTP Signed X
Last name     Pugh  Bachelor
Residence     Montford
Marriage date     13 Jul 1789
Marriage place     Montford
Spouse's first name(s)     Mary  OTP Signed X
Spouse's last name     Edwards  Spinster
Spouse's residence     Montford
County     Shropshire
Register date range     1755-1812
Marriage year     1789
Archive reference     P192/A/3/1
Page     31
Register type     Marriage
Denomination     Anglican
Record set     Shropshire Marriages
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
Wit:Thos Cartwright, Hannah Nunnerley she signed X
Collections from     Great Britain, England
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Baptism:
First name(s)     John
Last name     Pugh
Baptism date     23 Oct 1791
Place     Meole Brace
Father's first name(s)     John
Father's last name     Pugh
Mother's first name(s)     Mary
Mother's last name     -
Birth year     -
Birth place     -
Baptism year     1791
Record set     England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
County     Shropshire
Country     England
Collections from     England, Great Britain
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Baptism:
First name(s)     Richd.
Last name     Pugh
Baptism date     17 Mar 1793
Place     Meole Brace
Father's first name(s)     John
Father's last name     Pugh
Mother's first name(s)     Mary
Mother's last name     -
Birth year     -
Birth place     -
Baptism year     1793
Record set     England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
County     Shropshire
Country     England
Collections from     England, Great Britain

Marriage:
First name(s)     Richard   Bachelor  Signed X
Last name     Pugh      Occ:Collier
Residence     Mynyddislwyn
Marriage date     31 May 1819
Marriage place     Mynyddislwyn
Spouse's first name(s)     Hester  Spinster Signed X
Spouse's last name     Treasure?
Spouse's birth year     -
Spouse's residence     Mynyddislwyn
Wit:George Treasure?, Mary Pugh  Both Signed X
County     Monmouthshire
Event year     1819
Country     Wales
Banns year     -
Event     Marriage
Marriage year     1819
Page     27
Record set     Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
Collections from     Wales, Great Britain
     
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Blackwood, Bedwellty, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
First name(s)    Last name    Sex    Age    Birth year    Birth place
Richard    Pugh    Male    48    1793    - Inn Keeper
Ester    Pugh    Female    41    1800    -
Eliza    Mancell    Female    14    1827    F.S Monmouthshire, Wales
Thomas    Right    Male    51    1790    - Collier
 
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Blackwood, Bedwellty, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
Richard    Pugh    Head    Married    Male    58    1793    Inkeeper & coal miner    Bracemeal, Shropshire, England
Esther    Pugh    Wife    Married    Female    51    1800    Inkeeper & coal miner wife    Tiverton, Somerset, England
Louisa    Beecham    Niece    Unmarried    Female    17    1834    House servant    Monmouthshire, Wales

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
New Couch, Blackwood, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
Richard    Pugh    Head    Married    Male    68    1793    Beer seller    Bracemeal, Shropshire, England
Esther    Pugh    Wife    Married    Female    61    1800    -    Bath, Somerset, England
Emma    Crew    Servant    Unmarried    Female    15    1846    House maid    -
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First name(s)     Wm.
Last name     Pugh
Baptism date     12 Oct 1794
Place     Meole Brace
Father's first name(s)     John
Father's last name     Pugh
Mother's first name(s)     Mary
Birth place     -
Mother's last name     -
Baptism year     1794
Record set     England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
County     Shropshire
Country     England
Collections from     England, Great Britain
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Baptism:
First name(s)     Mary
Last name     Pugh
Residence     -
Baptism date     27 Aug 1797
Place     Meole Brace
Father's first name(s)     John
Mother's first name(s)     Mary
Mother's last name     -
County     Shropshire
Birth year     -
Register type     Composite
Baptism year     1797
Register date range     1745-1812
Archive reference     P186/A/1/2
Denomination     Anglican
Page     81
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     Great Britain, England
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Baptism:
First name(s)     Theophilus
Last name     Pugh
Residence     -
Baptism date     02 Aug 1801
Place     Meole Brace
County     Shropshire
Birth year     -
Register type     Composite
Baptism year     1801
Register date range     1745-1812
Archive reference     P186/A/1/2
Denomination     Anglican
Page     88
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Father's first name(s)     John
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s)     Mary
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Mother's last name     -
Collections from     Great Britain, England

Possible 1st:
Marriage:
First name(s)     Theophilus
Last name     Pugh
Marriage date     17 Sep 1827
Residence     Holborn, Middlesex, England
Marriage place     Holborn
Spouse's first name(s)     Mary Ann
Spouse's last name     Parsons
Spouse's age     -
Name note     -
County     Middlesex
Marriage year     1827
Country     England
Record set     England Marriages 1538-1973
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
Collections from     England, Great Britain

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wents, Northwold, Thetford, Norfolk, England
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
John    Cock    Head    Married    Male    60    1791    Farmer    Methwold, Norfolk, England
Mary    Cock    Wife    Married    Female    49    1802    Ag labourer    Methwold, Norfolk, England
Susan S    Cock    Daughter    Unmarried    Female    22    1829    Farmers daughter    Northwold, Norfolk, England
Charles    Cock    Son    Unmarried    Male    21    1830    Farmers son    Northwold, Norfolk, England
Wesley    Cock    Son    Unmarried    Male    19    1832    Farmers son    Northwold, Norfolk, England
Martha    Cock    Daughter    Unmarried    Female    16    1835    Farmers daughter    Northwold, Norfolk, England
Benjamin    Cock    Son    -    Male    10    1841    Farmers son    Northwold, Norfolk, England
Theophilus    Pugh    Visitor    Married    Male    49    1802    Weslyan minister    Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Sarah    Fuller    Servant    Unmarried    Female    19    1832    House servant    Thetford, Norfolk, England
Robert    Ream    Servant    Unmarried    Male    18    1833    Farm servant    Northwold, Norfolk, England
Riches    Roberts    Servant    Unmarried    Male    16    1835    Farm servant    Northwold, Norfolk, England
John    Chandler    Servant    Unmarried    Male    19    1832    Farm servant    Northwold, Norfolk, England
Jesse    Eagle    Servant    Unmarried    Male    13    1838    Farm servant    Northwold, Norfolk, England

His 2nd:
Marriage:
First name(s)     Theophilus
Last name     Pugh
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year     1858
District     Horncastle
Marriage Theophilus Pugh married
Eliza Morris
Country     England
Volume     7A
Page number     673
Registration month     -
Record set     England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number     -
Collections from     Great Britain, England
County     Lincolnshire

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
61, Chapel Street, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
First name(s)     Theophilus
Last name     Pugh
Sex     Male
Birth town     Shrewbury
Age     59
Birth year     1802
Marital status     Married
Occupation     Wesleyan methodist minister
Relationship     Head
Also Eliza Pugh  Wife age 45, born in Wicken, Cambridgeshire
Registration district     Stoke Damerel
Sub district     1 St Aubyn
Enumeration district     4
Parliamentary borough or division     Devonport
Municipal borough or ward     St Aubyn
Family member last name     Pugh
Birth town as transcribed     SHREWBURY
Birth county     Shropshire
Archive reference     RG09
Birth county as transcribed     SHROPSHIRE
Piece number     1448
Birth place other     England
Folio     97
Page     31
Full address     61, Chapel Street, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
Schedule     187
House number     61
Schedule suffix     B
Street     Chapel Street
Record set     1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Town     Devonport
Category     Census, land & surveys
Parish     Stoke Damerel
Subcategory     Census
City or borough     Devonport
County     Devon
Country     England
Collections from     Great Britain, England

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
South Street, Gargrave, Skipton, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
Theophilus    Pugh    Head    -    Male    69    1802    - Wesleyan Minister    Shrews Shropshire, England
Jane    Morris    Step-daughter    -    Female    24    1847    -    Lincolnshire, England
Mary Elizth    Price    Servant    -    Female    16    1855    -    Nottinghamshire, England

Burial:
First name(s)     Theophilus
Last name     Pugh
Burial date     14 Oct 1874
Burial place     Gargrave
Age     73
County     Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country     England
Archive     North Yorkshire County Record Office
Birth year     1801
Archive reference    N-PR-GGV1-8
Death year     1874
Record set     Yorkshire Burials
Burial year     1874
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Burials
Collections from     England, Great Britain
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Baptism:
First name(s)     Saml
Last name     Pugh
Residence     -
Baptism date     07 Apr 1799
Place     Meole Brace
Father's first name(s)     John
Mother's first name(s)     Mary
County     Shropshire
Birth year     -
Register type     Composite
Baptism year     1799
Register date range     1745-1812
Archive reference     P186/A/1/2
Denomination     Anglican
Page     83
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Mother's last name     -
Collections from     Great Britain, England

His Likely 1st:
Marriage: By Licence
First name(s)     Samuel  Signed his name & Bachelor
Last name     Pugh  OTP
Residence     Trevethin
Marriage date     18 Apr 1825
Marriage place     Trevethin
Spouse's first name(s)     Hannah   Signed X
Spouse's last name     Harries  Spinster
Spouse's residence     Panteague
Wit:William Roper?, Ann Harries  Both signed their names
County     Monmouthshire
Event year     1825
Country     Wales
Banns year     -
Event     Marriage
Marriage year     1825
Page     128
Record set     Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
Collections from     Wales, Great Britain

His 1st Wife's
Burial:
First name(s)     Hannah  Abode:Abersychan?
Last name     Pugh
Burial date     22 Sep 1839
Place     Trevethin
Age     37
County     Monmouthshire
Country     Wales
Page     294
Birth year     1802
Archive year range     -
Burial year     1839
Record set     Monmouthshire Burials
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Burials
Parish     Trevethin
Collections from     Wales, Great Britain

Possible:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Johns Row, Trevethin, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales
First name(s)    Last name    Sex    Age    Birth year    Birth place
Samuel    Pugh    Male    40    1801    - Occ:Collier (Not Born in the County)
Samuel    Pugh    Male    11    1830    Monmouthshire, Wales
William    Pugh    Male    10    1831    Monmouthshire, Wales
Mary    Pugh    Female    70    1771    - (is this his mother?)
Ann    Pugh    Female    30    1811    - House Keeper

His 2nd:
Marriage:
First name(s)     Samuel   Occ:Shopkeeper & Widower
Last name     Pugh     Signed his name
Age     Full
Father's first name(s)     John  Occ:Contractor
Father's last name     Pugh
Marriage date     20 Nov 1849
Marriage place     Llanhilleth
Spouse's first name(s)     Elizabeth   Signed X
Spouse's last name     Davies   Widow
Spouse's age     Full
Spouse's father's first name(s) Benjamin  Occ:Butcher
Spouse's father's last name     Dauk?
Wit: (a Welsh first name?) Morgan, Isabella Williams  Both Signed their names
Event year     1849
County     Monmouthshire
Banns year     -
Country     Wales
Marriage year     1849
Event     Marriage
Page     16
Record set     Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
Collections from     Wales, Great Britain

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Abersychan Road, Trevethin, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
Samuel    Pugh    Head    Married    Male    51    1800    Grocer    Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Elizabeth    Pugh    Wife    Married    Female    61    1790    -    Christchurch, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Kate ‘Darrall’
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If it's any help, there was a Brocker Mansell who lived in Sandbrook, Ketley in the 1960/70's . I went to school with his daughter Wendy

Nikki Mansell Day
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Hello John p3,

Thank you so much for all of that info.Theophilus Samuel Mary and Richard Pugh from Trevethin and Abersychan are likely to be 'mine' especially where the docs also refer to Mynydisslwyn. It is so frustrating that Mary Pugh's husband John Mansel just appears in Mynydisslwyn at full age to marry and I cant find any reference to him before that or after his last child was born. As he is dead before the 1841 census can anyone give me ANY clues as to where else there might be written records refering to John Mansel. Ive looked through lists of miners deaths but cant find any reference to him. He doesnt appear in probate records so presumably didnt have a will... Thank you for your time. Nikki