MADDOX, Sarah birth details - parents etc

Hello Rachel

Civil Registration of Births, Marriages and Deaths didn't start until 1837 in the UK so you need to search for her Baptism for the information you need. The easiest way to do this is to use the Family Search web site (otherwise known as the International Genealogical Index - IGI) which is part of the Mormon Church but which anyone can access free of charge.

When you get to the Family Search web site enter the forename and surname in the appropriate boxes then select Birth below (even though you are actually looking for a Baptism) and this will open up another box where you can enter the place. I would be inclined to just put Shropshire in case her baptism was in a different parish for some reason. Enter 1822 in both of the date boxes then click the Search button at the lower left.

You should then see a list of possible people and in this case it is very obvious which one is yours but often it is not that clear unfortunately.

The above search will have given you the names of Sarah's parents so you now need to start a new search but this time enter her father's names and select Marriage. Again enter Shropshire but for the dates you will need to be flexible because you don't know whether Sarah was their first or last child so the marriage date could be many years earlier so I would try 1800 and 1825. Also click on Spouse which will allow you to enter her mother's forename. Then click Search. It may be very difficult, without other information, to decide which, if any, of the results is the one you want and this is where you are going to have to start working on the problem.

Mike

As above,

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3QK-V3P

N.B. The above is just an index and the original should be consulted, particularly as it is likely to contain further details.

It would be worthwhile buying a book such as Herber's Ancestral Trials to familiarise yourself with the sources.

Hi Rachel

Just had a quick look on Family Search her parents where John and Martha

HI Again

There is a John Maddox Martha Kynaston marriage in 1807 at ELLESMERE Shropshire can,t see anything later for those two  christian names

Cheers and good searching

Dave

I trust that Dave will not mind notes of caution: that 1807 entry in the IGI is a private submission. The original register should be checked. Also note that coverage of marriages by the IGI after 1812 is the exception rather than the rule. Other possibilities ought to be sought, such as in the SFHS Marriage Index (see Shop icon at top, but check current coverage).

A "parent" search of the IGI for issue of any couple of John Maddox / Maddocks (they are grouped) for 20 years either side of 1820 gives a fair number in several parishes in the same, general area, most spelt Maddocks (though with ordinary folk the spelling often was at the whim of the clerk). The first, Joseph, in 1807 in Loppington, the last, Charlotte in 1833 at Whixall.

Such a late baptism would not be problematical if Martha were she bap in 1790 at Loppington.

Is she and / or husband to be found in 1851 Census ? (I cannot help from home).

Now, if this Martha Kynaston is the ancestress one of my close cousins has done vast work on these families and has produced two booklets. Those in Loppington are of particular interest to him. In short, it is likely that this Martha's line can be taken back to Sir Roger Kynaston, of Hordley (living around 1500) and his wife Lady Elizabeth Grey (illegitimately a great-granddaughter of King Henry IV).

If our poster can pass her e-address to our (hard-pressed) webmaster (webmaster@sfhs.org.uk) he might pass on to me, and I in turn to my cousin.

Hi Martyn

Do realise that {should have pointed this out} thanks for bringing it to Rachel's attention it might save her a wild goose chase  

Cheers Dave

Arrh; but I've popped into the Archives since. John Maddox (whom Ancestry have as indexed as Polin Maddax) was a Quina Brook (which is north of the centre of Edstaston on the modern B5476 road from Wem to Whitchurch) at 1841 Census (HO107/902/2), then an ag lab, aged 65, born in the county; with (unstated) wife Martha, aged 50 (Ancestry reads this as 56 but I'm happy with reading the script), born in the county. Also (unstated) daughter Charlotte, aged 7. (Adult ages, of course, normally rounded down to nearest 5 or 10).

Now the latter has to be she bap 13.10.1833 at Whixall as Maddocks; which tends to argue that all those that I saw via the "parent" search were one family, whatever the spelling of the surname. If so, we do not look for a post 1812 marriage. The SMI has no alternative bur the cover is still pretty thin.

Martha survived to the 1851 Census (HO107/1995/104/1), she then at Cotton, next in the schedule to Quina Brook, a widow and pauper, aged 63, born at Brown Heath (which is 1/2 mile north west of the centre of Loppington.

The Ellesmere marriage reads:

John Maddocks Bachelor &Martha Kynaston of this parish spinster were married by banns 5th June 1807. Both sign by mark, as do the witnesses Charles Austin and Hannah Austin.

I shall now look again at the options in IGI for Martha's bap. Her 1851 age tends towards one noted earlier in 1788 at an Ellesmere N C chapel. Query was she bap again, "proper, like" as the parents might have thought, at Loppington. I recall patron/s entry referring to Brown Moss (they do  have their uses at times!). More perhaps anon.

Bit more from Archives.

In 1851 Martha Maddox had with her two stated grandsons, Richard and Henry Maddox, aged 6 and 3, both born at Cotton. Tracing their births and parentage might assist on the "single group" question as outlined earlier.

Two baptisms at Edstaston were checked:

18.8.1822 Sarah d of John and Martha Maddox, Cotton, labourer;

17.5.1814 Charles s of ditto, ditto, ditto.

I did not try for Edward. Per the SBI he died young.

Cotton is these days known as Coton. Further up the road towards Whtchuch. Whixall is to the west.

Over now to Rachel to make contact.

Unusually, the IGI has extended, post-1837 coverage:

Richard Maddox, bap 29.9.1844 at Edstaston, son of Sarah.

Henry Maddox, bap 22.8.1847 at Whixall, son of Sarah

Almost certainly illegitimate. Sarah has to be Rachel's direct ancestress.

Hi Martyn

 There is as well has Charles born 1814

Richard 1815

Edward 1817

Elizabeth 1820

Then Sarah 1822

something for Rachel  to look in to

Cheers Dave

Searches ought to be made to rule out any alternative marriage for John Kynaston and a Martha in the years 1813/14, such as at Wem or Ellesmere. (One can be reasonably comfortable for IGI coverage of marriages in north Shropshire between, say, 1800 and 1812, though Dudleston MAY be missing).

However Martha's place of birth as stated in 1851, i.e. Brown Heath chimes well with amateur postings in the IGI linking various Kynastons with that area in the parish of Loppington.

If the 1807 marriage is the right one, then the witness Charles Austin was son (bap 1781 at Loppington) of Amos Austin and his wife Martha Kynaston (who and whose marriage appear in my cousin's supplementary booklet); while the witness Hannah Austin was Charles' wife (married 27.1.1806 at Ellesmere, per another amateur entry in IGI) Hannah Kynaston; and she was almost certainly she bap 1784 at Loppington, daughter of William and Hannah (Madeley) who were parents of the Martha Kynaston bap 1788 at Ellesmere Indep chapel - i.e. sister to a prime candidate for Mrs Maddox.

In all this I have consulted my cousin's booklets. Beyond this Rachel needs to contact him via the process suggested earlier. I cannot say that he will have all material or indeed the time or willingness to help. (I have received from him this morning for a quite separate "Kynaston" purpose copies of the key Wills of around 1690/1700 that establish the descent of at least some of the Loppington Kynastons).

Just came across this entry for Loppington birth Joseph Maddox born 23 aug 1807 parents John and Martha. it just seemed wrong that there were no children between the marriage in1807 and Charles born 1814 unless there are two John and Martha,s 

Cheers Dave

I mentioned Joseph earlier. There is John bap 27.8.1809 at Wem (which then, like Ellesmere, was an extensive parish). If indeed these are all one group with those later bap in Edstaston and Whixall one might have expected another, say 1811 / 1812. The parents might have moved temporarily over the border in Hanmer parish.

More from Archives today (and last visit for this year):

Printed register of Ellesmere Independent:

2.11.1788 Martha d of William and Hannah Kynaston of Brown heath bap in the chapel.

Edstaston burials 1841-1884 (end)

6.3.1850 John Maddocks, Coton, 75 yrs

A few other Maddocks / Maddox noted, but no Martha. Query if she remarried after 1851 Census; or was buried elsewhere.

I have looked through the PR I have on Edstaston, but they seem to finish at 1810.  So not much use to you.  I did look at Wem but again only went up to 1810. 

Hi Michael, david64, Dave E, Martyn Freeth, Gena

Thank you so much for your interest and efforts in helping me to locate more information on Sarah MADDOX. I really appreciate it. I didn't share with you her NZ life - it makes for interesting reading and it is a bit sad.

Sarah left London on the ship Bolton on 19 Nov 1839 and arrived in Port Nicholson in NZ on 30 April 1840. She was only 16 years old and she was a servant to the Rev John Frederick Churton. He was quite famous in the Auckland area. She married James Lowden a Scottish man (I think) in 1843 and Rev Churton took the service. There is a bit of a sad story at the end though. She had 5 children - 2 died young. Her last child died in 1853 at only 8 months old and then Sarah herself died a year later. Her husband had his land taken from him by the government with the new laws about buying land from the locals and with his daughter and his wifes death he was beside himself with depression and he took his own life in 1858.

It is a very intriguing story it left 3 children as orphans aged 15,9, 7. My ancestor was the 7 year old boy called Edward. I have no idea how they coped after their fathers death.

So from the above info that you all found out - I can say that John MADDOX and Martha KYNASTON are Sarah's parents? so my great great great great grandparents.

Thanks I am going to print out what you have found and go through it carefully. 

Merry Christmas from New Zealand - a bit shaky today after the big earthquakes.

Having tracked Rachel down through the web ( - she had assumed that there were automatic e-mail alerts of new postings - ) we wll be liaising off-board for a while. But I feel that any new info or thoughts on outstanding issues will be welcome here.

Rachel please contact me at the earliest.

parkesgk@slingshot.co.nz

"Gazza" I have passed on you email details to Rachel, in case she hasn't set up the RSS Feed from the Forum.

Graham SFHS

Hi Rachel

Sarah Maddox and James Lowden were my GT GT GT Grandparents. I have done a lot of research on the Lowden tree. would like to make contact.  preston.j@slingshot.co.nz

Cheers

Julie