Hi
I have found an entry for a marriage on Familysearch website but I cannot find this marriage in the Parish Records. How come? Does anyone know why this would be and where do I look now?
Sue
If it is on the old site:
http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/search/frameset_search.asp
Open the record > at the bottom of the page there is a Source Call No. > click on that and it will tell you the source.
It is pos. it is from a BT or it could be out of chronological order.
This is the entry on Familysearch
| groom's name: | John Rigby |
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| bride's name: | Eliza Fisher |
| marriage date: | 26 Aug 1883 |
| marriage place: | Holy Trinity, Dawley-Magna, Shropshire, England |
| indexing project (batch) number: | I03975-6 |
| system origin: | England-EASy |
| source film number: | 1526898 |
I will leave others to comment on the reason (as I do not use the new "IGI" site); but you will see that there is no matching entry (for the appropriate quarter, i.e. September 1883) in FreeBMD.
Taking the period 1880 / 1885 for Shropshire a John Rigby is on the same page as an Eliza Birks in Wellington district in March quarter 1882.
Hello Sue
Like Martyn, I also discovered that the marriage you have found does not appear (in that form) in the Civil Registration indexes, so I began to wonder what was wrong.
I eventually found a likely entry for the marriage between a John RIGBY and Eliza FISHER Q3 (Jul-Aug-Sep) 1883 in the Prestwich Registration District of Lancashire. Looking on Lancashire BMD this marriage seems to have taken place at Christ Church, Bradford which is an area of Manchester, not the place in Yorkshire.
I just wonder if some error has crept in with the allocation of the marriage place in the Family Search database. At the moment I can't see any other explanation.
Mike
Hello Mike
Yes this is the same couple. They married at Christ Church Bradford Lancashire on 19th August 1883 I have a copy of the marriage certificate from the Familysearch site. Then I saw the other marriage supposedly taking place a week later 26th August at Holy Trinity Church in Dawley Magna. I was trying to find the names of the Fathers to double check it was the same couple.
I was wondering why the same couple married twice!
Sue
The new FamilySearch site and the old IGI both have lost of useful records, but also some rather dodgy ones. In the IGI the cause is usually member-submitted records which are based, it sometimes seems, on wishful thinking or guesswork. These records are excluded from the new FamilySearch site but there are still errors - inevitable I suppose with many millions of records. For example there are records from Adbaston, a parish in Staffordshire, but FamilySearch has placed the parish in Lincolnshire!
Over time I think we will see more and more of the transcribed records on FamilySearch (and other sites such as Ancestry and Findmypast) linked with images of the original registers, and then you can check the primary source. Though of course, even the original registers contain errors ....
Steve
Hopefully the following might be helpful.
It may be that the second/later "marriage" record may have simply been that of a church blessing.
My reason for suggesting this is that I have recently similarly discovered a second "marriage" in respect of a cousin of my mother. She (the cousin - a Shropshire lass) married on Friday 1st August 1930 in Salford but Familysearch records a "marriage", in her husband's home parish of Great Berkhamstead, just 2 days later - on Sunday 3rd August 1930.
As for John & Eliza, only the first/earlier marriage is registered with the GRO - which further suggests that the secondary events were not registrable marriages as such.
Hello Peter John
Thank you for this possible explanation it does fit. The John does come from Dawley and Eliza from Lancashire where the first marriage took place. I did wonder if this was a second "marriage" in John's home parish.
Sue
I suppose that it might be helpful if the parish (or church) records differentiated on the alternative basis of:
a marriage held in this parish
the marriage held in this parish
a marriage blessed in this parish
the marriage blessed in this parish.
Dependent upon the specific expression used, it might be possible to interpret whether or not the actual marriage took place within the recording parish - or took place elsewhere before being blessed locally.
Does this kind of wording differentiation typically occur within parish (or church) records?
I also have a couple who appear to have married twice, once in Brighton where the bride came from and then again in Leamington, the groom's home and where the couple were to live. Only the first marriage is registered, so I assumed they did this because the bride's family were unable to travel to Leamington. I discovered the second record on family seach only recently. It wasn't on the old site but is on the new one. At first I thought there were two couples with the same names but this seemed very unlikely as the groom had an uncommon Christian and surname.
It's interesting to find other similar instances.
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Hi Sue
If you also post the details of your finding, others will be able to give you a more pertinent response,
G