Elizabeth THOMBLINS

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mollymandysb
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Can anyone throw light on these relatives?

Elizabeth Thomblins married john Evans a Collier 26 march 1850 the registry office district of Atcham, his dad was Thomas Evans a labourer.  I have them on the 1851 census living (as I know they did) in Pontesbury.  John was a coal miner born in 1826 with his wife Elizabeth who according to Ancestry was born in Condover in 1828 but her name is showing as Lombas and her mother Anne aged 73 born in Pontesbury but again as showing as Lombas.  I can find john in 1841 with his dad Thomas Evans ag lab born 1776, his mom Ann aged 65, John is 15 and a coal miner, living in the Ford division.

Can anyone throw any light on Elizabeth and Ann?

thanks

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The name is recorded as Tomlins. If you look above there is an Elizabeth Taylor, where the T looks more like an L aswell.

You will likely find a number of different renderings of this name, including TUMBLINGS.

Though there is a further problem in that this Anne is recorded as being 51 years older than her daughter. So it is either not recorded properly or she is not really her mother. The IGI gives a matching baptism for Elizabeth:


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN6H-ZGD
with no father, so it is possible that the Anne listed in the census is her grandmother, and Elizabeth, the daughter of Anne, a daughter of Anne born c. 1778.

IGI shows a number of ch. born to Richard and Ann Tomlins in the early 1800s around Pontesbury. There is one entry in 1798 under the surname Tumblins. Can't see any marriages for this couple... Though for some reason the marriage is in the old IGI:

Richard Tomlins m. Anne Williams, 06 AUG 1798, St Chads, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

This is a common place for marriages in the area, even if neither spouse lived in Shrewsbury. Two pos. bpt.s for Anne:


http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=epr_Shropshire&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=anne&gsln=williams&msydy=1778&gskw=pontesbury&dbOnly=_C000000F|_C000000F_x%2c_F0002A17|_F0002A17_x&uidh=t17&msydp=2&pcat=34&fh=5&h=71253&recoff=9+12


http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=epr_Shropshire&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=anne&gsln=williams&msydy=1778&gskw=pontesbury&dbOnly=_C000000F|_C000000F_x%2c_F0002A17|_F0002A17_x&uidh=t17&msydp=2&pcat=34&fh=4&h=17261&recoff=9+12
1st more likely, but caution advised. Pos. mar. for 1st couple:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN7M-PLW


Further, ages in the 1841 census are rounded to 5 years for those over the age of 15 years.

mollymandysb
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thanks for that, am waiting for the marriage cert to arrive of john evans and elizabeth, but from family bible that i hold she is down as elizabeth thomblins and freebmd has her down as thomblins as well.  i have come across one other fam with this name in shropshire.  will follow this one carefully and with caution.

 

thanks

 

steph

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Hi David

 

have just checked free bmd again and it is down as elizabeth thromblins marrying john evans 26th march 1850 the registry office, district of atcham.

thanks

steph

david64
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These names are all inter-changeable, as shown by the census recording Anne, Sr. as Anne Tomlins.

Names were down to interpretation; and since this is dealing with people born in the 1820s and earlier, it is likely they could not write themselves. Names can change quite dramatically in spelling over time.

As an example there is a family in Shropshire, most commonly recorded as Passeffant in the 15th C., Passand in the 16th & 17th C., Passon in the 18th C. and Passant from the 19th C.

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Tx David

I think I will have to do some careful research with this one.  Regarding Ann being too old to be her mother according to ancestry in the 1851 census Ann is down as being john Evans mother in law, so I took it that she was Elizabeth's mother.  Ann was born in Pontesbury in 1778 whilst Elizabeth was born in Condover in 1829. However, not knowing the area very well, for Ann it states born in Pontesbury civil parish sub-registration district of Condover, registration district Atcham, whilst Elizabeth is civil parish Condover, sub Greg district Condover and Reg Dist Atcham.  Do I take it they are all not far from each other?  Could not find anything for Ann or Elizabeth in the 1841 census, nor could I find any baptism for Elizabeth in Parish records. Although I do know there is a family of Thomblins in the Albury (I think that's how you spell it) area of Pontesbury.  Quite an unusual name but a few to be found in Yorkshire.

Steph