I am wondering if anyone out there knows if there is any link between The Duke of Sutherland and the area around London and Richmond.
Playing a long shot based on finds and info from family members on the census. I am trying to find out from where and why STEPHEN BURTON and his wife HESTER came to rent a Duke of Sutherland cottage in Cold Hatton in 1812. Stephen was a saddle and harness maker who died before the 1851 census so I am having to trace where he lived before arriving in Cold Hatton by other means hence the long shot. From the Duke's rent books in the County Record Office I know he was renting a house in 1812.
From information from other sources I have a found a Stephen and Hester having a child Ann in the British Lying in Hospital in London. A child by the same name is with them in Cold Hatton. This family seemed to have moved out from the Fulham area of London to Richmond where they had another surviving child. This child a girl was baptised Vaness. In the High Ercall records a Venus Burton marries and the witness is Ann I believe this to be my family as I can find no other Burton's in the area at this time
Venus/Vaness then dies in 1844 from smallpox on her death cert she is registered as Venyennas! I am 99% certain this is the same person from ages and the fact that the husband is correct..
Ann can not decide how old she is on various census' so this info is a bit iffy. Hester/Esther says she is born in Shropshire but I can not find out if this is true or where she came from as I have no maiden name for her and no marriage for her and Stephen. I am currently working my way through apprentice records in the hope I can find a Stephen. Any help or ideas to help with my long shot much appreciated
Thanks Sucy
Thanks for your reply I will have to keep searching for another reason so that I can prove the connection
between Cold Hatton and Richmond
Bit more. If you think about it, if Stephen were a saddler to the Leveson-Gower family (not Dukes until 1833; Marquesses of Stafford before) he would have been needed closer to Lilleshall, the Shropshire seat. As it is, he was rather out of the way at Cold Hatton; indeed, not on the doorstep of any major country house.
Another major landowner in the area (and indeed the second largest owner of acres in the county) was the Duke of Cleveland, with his secondary (and rather non-ducal) seat at High Ercall Hall. But again I see no connection to Richmond area.
You say no marriage for Stephen and Hester. But what about that in IGI in 1801 or so in Lewes, Sussex with Hester Kendrick. Not long before "Vanessa's" birth in London, and in the south. Hers a surname associated with Midlands, and, as Kenrick, in north Wales.
I have a hardly-read book called "A Prospect of Richmond", by Janet Dunbar, 1979. ISBN 0 7181 1789 1. Crammed with historical snippets, notable residents. Might be available through library services.
Thanks for your help Martyn I have taken a look at the IGI and can see your thinking. If this is this marriage then the birth of Ann in 1796 when they state that Hester is Hester Burton would have been a lie which is always possible. It could be that if this is the marriage then these are two different families and that one family would have had Ann and the other family would have had Venness. So more questions than answered but thanks for the info I will file it.
Maybe as you say there is no connection with the Duke of Sutherland which means this brickwall may never be broken. I am a great believer that the answer is out there somewhere. it will just take time!!
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First reaction, Sucy, is that there is no connection. The Sutherland family owned so much land and property in east Shropshire that renting a cottage from them was almost inevitable. And such a tenancy would not have implied any other connection, such as through employment.
The Dukes had a very grand house in St James', London - now Lancaster House - and built Cliveden in Bucks (before selling on to their Westminster cousins); but I'm unaware of any interest at or near Richmond-on-Thames.