Hi,
I'm trying to track down any information I can about one of my ancestors - John Bayley. He was the last of my family line to stay in England - his son moved to Canada. The information we have in Canada really ends with that Bayley.
I find iin Ancestry that John was either born in Loppington or Shawbury. And that he died and is buried in Loppington. But I cannot find any information for example of where he is buried. Checking Findagrave, it lists graves in Loppington but does not show him.
I will be travelling through Shropshire on July 9, so if anyone has any suggestions where I could find more information, either about John or the Bayley family, that would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Michael Bayley
Hi Mike,
Yes that sounds like it mostly fits my information.
For his birth year, I see the 1871 census where he's living with his daughter and lists his age as 90 - which would be born around 1781. But if he was baptized in 1779, maybe he just rounded or shaved a couple of years off!
I had not thought of the possibility of there not being a marker. I assumed maybe the stone had worn to the point of not being legible or something, but your point makes sense.
I haven't done any digging in our local libraries in Canada as I'm told that not much records came over and the first to move over was John's son Edward - who's grave I've been too - my grandfather (Edward's son) and other relatives are also there.
Next week we'll be around Loppington and will stop by anyway just to look around to see what the place is like
Thanks again!
Michael
Hi Micheal Bayley, Just to make sure of your lineage, is this the death of your ancestor Edward Bayley?
Death:
Edward Bayley Died Oct 1. 1888, aged 76 & 11 Mo's Chatsworth, On, Canada
A native of Shropshire England
Best Regards
J.P
Hi J.P
Yes - Edward is John's son and both are my ancestors.
Michael
Hi Michael, I've given you a few hours of my time. so I can confirm your lineage, back to a marriage see below.
And there will be more to follow
Best Regards
J.P
Edward's Parent's
Marriage:
By Licence:
First name(s) John Signed his name
Last name Bayley
Residence Shawbury
Marriage date 30 Sep 1802
Marriage place Kinnerley
Spouse's first name(s) Anne Signed her name
Spouse's last name Lloyd
Spouse's residence Kinnerley
Wit:Elizabeth Edwards, Thomas Lloyd, Millward Rogers, all signed their names
County Shropshire
Register date range 1794-1812
Marriage year 1802
Archive reference P151/A/3/2
Page 12
Register type Marriage
Denomination Anglican
Record set Shropshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, England
(Note: Millward Rogers could well be a brother-in-law of Anne (nee Stedman) Bayley
Edwards Parent's & sibling
1841 Cens:
Name John Bayley
Age 60
Estimated Birth Year abt 1781
Gender Male
Where born Shropshire, England
Civil parish Loppington
Hundred Pimhill (Ellesmere Division)
County/Island Shropshire
Country England
Registration district Wem
Sub-registration district Wem
Neighbors
Piece 918
Book 10
Folio 14
Page number 2
Household Members (Name) Age
John Bayley 60 Occ: Independent (means)
Anne Bayley 60
Catherine Bayley 20
Edwards father's
Burial:
First name(s) John Abode:Loppington
Last name Bayley
Age 64
Burial date 29 Feb 1844
Burial place Loppington
County Shropshire
Archive reference P173/A/4/1
Birth year 1780
Page 43
Death year 1844
Register type Burial
Death date ? ? 1844
Register date range 1813-1893
Record set Shropshire Burials
Burial year 1844
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
Denomination Anglican
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Edward and his known siblings:
Your Lineage:
Baptism:
First name(s) Edward
Last name Bayley
Baptism date 12 Dec 1811
Place Kinnerley
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Bayley
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name Lloyd
Birth year 1811
Baptism year 1811
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Shropshire
Collections from England, Great Britain
Country England
Edward's Siblings:
Note: Most of the entries for the baptism's at Kinnerley were put in the book later on. (The could have been baptised elsewhere)
Baptisms:
First name(s) Adam Abode:Egerley (Edgerley)
Last name Bayley
Baptism date 16 Jul 1803
Place Kinnerley
Father's first name(s) John Occ: Gent
Father's last name Bayley
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name Lloyd
Baptism year 1803
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Shropshire
Collections from England, Great Britain
Country England
First name(s) Thos. Abode: Egerley (Edgerley)
Last name Bayley
(Born 29th Oct)
Baptism date 12 Nov 1804
Place Kinnerley
Father's first name(s) John Occ: Gent
Father's last name Bayley
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name Lloyd
Baptism year 1804
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Shropshire
Collections from England, Great Britain
Country England
First name(s) John Abode:Egerley (Edgerley)
Last name Bayley
Baptism date 20 Feb 1806
Place Kinnerley
Father's first name(s) John Occ:Gent
Father's last name Bayley
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name Lloyd
Baptism year 1806
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Shropshire
Collections from England, Great Britain
Country England
First name(s) William Abode:Bessford
Last name Bayley
(Born 25th Nov)
Baptism date 29 Nov 1807
Place Kinnerley
Father's first name(s) John Occ:Gent
Father's last name Bayley
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name Lloyd
Baptism year 1807
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Shropshire
Collections from England, Great Britain
Country England
There is a place called Besford (a township) which is near Moreton Corbett & Shawbury
First name(s) George Abode:Bessford
Last name Bayley
Baptism date 28 Jan? 1814
Place Kinnerley
Father's first name(s) John Occ:Gent
Mother's first name(s) Ann Formerly Lloyd
Residence -
County Shropshire
Birth year -
Register type Baptism
Baptism year 1814
Register date range 1813-1880
Archive reference P151/A/2/2
Denomination Anglican
Page 4
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, England
First name(s) Margaret Abode:Wem
Last name Bayley
Baptism date 17 Jun 1809
Birth date 12 Jun 1809
Place Kinnerley
Father's first name(s) John Occ:Farmer
Mother's name(s) Ann Lloyd
Residence -
County Shropshire
Birth year 1809
Register type Baptism
Register date range 1783-1812
Baptism year 1809
Archive reference P151/A/2/1
Page 36
Denomination Anglican
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, England
First name(s) Catherine Abode:Bessford
Last name Bayley
Baptism date 19 Mar 1816
Place Kinnerley
Father's first name(s) John Occ:Gent
Mother's first name(s) Ann Lloyd
Residence -
County Shropshire
Birth year -
Register type Baptism
Baptism year 1816
Register date range 1813-1880
Archive reference P151/A/2/2
Denomination Anglican
Page 13
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's last name -
Collections from Great Britain, England
Catherine's other Baptism
Baptism:
First name(s) Katharine Abode:Besford
Last name Bayley
(Born 19th March)
Baptism date 25 Apr 1816
Place Shawbury
Father's first name(s) John Occ: Farmer
Father's last name Bayley
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Country England
Birth year 1816
Baptism year 1816
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Shropshire
Collections from England, Great Britain
First name(s) Joseph Abode:Bessford
Last name Bayley
Baptism date 01 Jan 1820
Place Kinnerley
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Ann Lloyd
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Birth year -
Register type Baptism
Baptism year 1820
Register date range 1813-1880
Archive reference P151/A/2/2
Denomination Anglican
Page 25
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, England
Hi J.P
Wow - that's a lot of information to process. Thank you!
It wil take me a bit to go though what's here - many of the names I recognize from my research Many are new to me.
Regards,
Michael
Hi Michael, please note I made a mistake regarding this:(Note: Millward Rogers could well be a brother-in-law of Anne (nee Stedman) Bayley
It should have read, Note: Millward Rogers could well be a brother-in-law of Anne (nee Lloyd) Bayley.
Sorry about that
Best Regards
J.P
Hi Michael, your lineage Continued.
Best Regards
J.P
Edward's 1st
Marriage:
By Licence
First name(s) Edward Signed his name
Last name Bayley
Residence Kinnerley
Marriage date 07 Feb 1837
Marriage place Kinnerley
Spouse's first name(s) Martha Signed her name
Spouse's last name Plimmer
Spouse's residence Kinnerley
Wit:William Croft, Catherine Bayley both signed their names
County Shropshire
Register date range 1813-1837
Marriage year 1837
Archive reference P151/A/3/3
Page 68
Register type Marriage
Denomination Anglican
Record set Shropshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, England
Him & his wife:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Extra Parochial Heath Farm, Knockin, Oswestry, Shropshire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Edward Bayley Male 30 1811 - Occ:Farmer
Martha Bayley Female 25 1816 -
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Others living in another part of the same building
Martha Walker Female 15 1826 - Occ:F.S
Edward Bayley Male 45 1796 -
Elizabeth Bayley Female 51 1790 -
Edward's & Martha's child:
Baptism:
First name(s) Edward Plimmer Abode:Pontesford Hill
Last name Bayley
Baptism date 28 Mar 1845
Place Pontesbury
Father's first name(s) Edward Occ:Farmer
Mother's first name(s) Martha
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Birth year -
Register type Baptism
Baptism year 1845
Register date range 1835-1879
Archive reference P220/A/2/2
Denomination Anglican
Page 99
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, England
Birth: Mothers maiden name
BAYLEY, EDWARD PLIMMER PLIMMER
GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in ATCHAM Volume 18 Page 13
His 1st wife's
Burial:
First name(s) Martha Abode:Pontesford
Last name Bayley Aged 29 years
Burial date 05 May 1845
Burial place Pontesbury
County Shropshire
Archive reference P220/A/4/1
Birth year 1816
Page 197
Death year 1845
Register type Burial
Death date ? ? 1845
Register date range 1813-1846
Age 29
Record set Shropshire Burials
Burial year 1845
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
Denomination Anglican
His 2nd:
Marriage:
First name(s) Edward Widower Occ:Farming Bailiff
Last name Bayley Signed his name
Residence Pontesford
Age Of Full Age
Father's first name(s) John Occ:Farmer
Father's last name Bayley
Marriage date 15 Apr 1847
Marriage place Shrewsbury, St Chad's
Spouse's first name(s) Ann Signed her name
Spouse's last name Stedman Spinster Occ:Servant
Spouse's age Of Full Age
Spouse's residence Peacock Papage?
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas Occ: Labourer
Spouse's father's last name Stedman
Marriage year 1847
Wit: John Brecttye?, Elizabeth Cope
County Shropshire
Register date range 1846-1855
Archive reference P253/A/3/10
Denomination Anglican
Page 24
Register type Marriage
Record set Shropshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, England
Him & his family:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hill Farm, Pontesford Hill, Pontesbury, Atcham, Shropshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Bailey Head Married Male 39 1812 Farm bailiff 144 acres employing 9 lab Belsford? Shropshire, England
Anne Bailey Wife Married Female 38 1813 - Brompton, Shropshire, England
Thomas Bailey Son - Male 3 1848 - Pontesbury, Shropshire, England
William Bailey Son - Male 0 1851 - Pontesbury, Shropshire, England
Thomas Lee Visitor Married Male 34 1817 Carpenter Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Harriot Lee Visitor Married Female 34 1817 - Shropshire, England
Thomas Matthens Visitor Married Male 54 1797 Farmer Loppington, Shropshire, England
Catherine Matthens Visitor Married Female 35 1816 - Belsford? Shropshire, England
Mary Swift Servant Unmarried Female 14 1837 House servant Condover, Shropshire, England
Note: It looks like Harriet Lee also emigrated to Canada
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Edward's 2nd Wife's
Burial:
First name(s) Anne Abode:The Hill Farm
Last name Bailey
Age 43
Burial date 18 Mar 1856
Burial place Pontesbury
County Shropshire
Archive reference P220/A/4/2
Birth year 1813
Page 62
Death year 1856
Register type Burial
Death date ? ? 1856
Register date range 1846-1885
Record set Shropshire Burials
Burial year 1856
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
Denomination Anglican
Their Known Children:
Birth:
BAILEY, THOMAS STEDMAN
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in ATCHAM Volume 18 Page 13
Birth:
BAYLEY, WILLIAM STEDMAN
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in ATCHAM Volume 18 Page 13
Birth:
BAYLEY, GEORGE STEDMAN STEDMAN
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in ATCHAM Volume 06A Page 620
Possible:
Death:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
BAYLEY, THOMAS 4
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in ATCHAM Volume 06A Page 512
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1871 Cens:
Name Edward Bailey
Age 59
Estimated Birth Year abt 1812
Gender Male
Birth Place England
Residence District Grey North
Residence Location Sydenham
Ethnic Origin English
Religion Church of England, Anglican
Occupation Farmer
Division 2
Microfilm Roll C-9954
Page 19
Head of Household Comment This person is listed as a head of household.
Canada Census 1871 continued:
Grey North, Ontario, Canada
Sub district Sydenham
First name(s) Last name Sex Birth year Birth place
Edward Bailey Male 1812 England Occ:Farmer
William Bailey Male 1852 England Occ:Farmer
George Bailey Male 1854 England Occ:Farmer
Harriet Lee Female 1826? England
1871 Cens continued:
First name(s) Edward
Last name Bailey
Age 59
Sex Male
Religion Church of England, Anglican
Sub district Sydenham
Year 1871
District number 37
Birth year 1812
Sub district number F
Birth country England
Microfilm C-9954
Birth Country Transcribed ENGLAND
Record set Ontario, Canada, Federal Census Of 1871 Ontario Index, 1871
District Grey North
Category Census, land & surveys
State Ontario
Subcategory Census
Race ENGLISH
Collections from Canada, Americas
Country Canada
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Canada Census 1881
Grey North, Ontario, Canada
Sub district Sydenham
First name(s) Last name Sex Birth year Birth place
George Baley Male 1855 England
Edward Baley Male 1812 England Widowed
Arrett Lee Female 1816 England
Sarah Baley Female 1880 Ontario
1881 Cens continued:
Name Edward Baley
Gender Male
Occupation Farmer
Marital Status Widowed
Origin English
Residence Age 69
Birth Date 1812
Birth Place England
Residence Date 1881
Residence Place Sydenham, Grey North, Ontario, Canada
District Number 156
Sub-District Number B
Division 1
Religion Church of England
Household Members (Name) Age
George Baley 26
Edward Baley 69
Arriott? Lee 65
Sarah Baley 6 months?
Hi Michael, I believe that the person below is your John Bayley's baptism, who was buried in Loppington.
Best Regards
J.P
Baptism:
First name(s) John Abode:Besford
Last name Bayley
Baptism date 22 Sep 1780
Place Moreton Corbet
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
County Shropshire
Birth year -
Register type Composite
Baptism year 1780
Register date range 1706-1812
Archive reference P194/A/1/2
Denomination Anglican
Page 39
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, England
Burial:
First name(s) John Abode:Loppington
Last name Bayley
Age 64
Burial date 29 Feb 1844
Burial place Loppington
County Shropshire
Archive reference P173/A/4/1
Page 43
Death year 1844
Register type Burial
Death date ? ? 1844
Register date range 1813-1893
Record set Shropshire Burials
Burial year 1844
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
Denomination Anglican
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Hello Michael
The Shropshire Parish Records on Find my Past (subscription web site) www.findmypast.co.uk tell us that a John BAYLEY of Loppington aged 64 was buried on 29th February 1844 so he will have been born about 1780. You didn't give us any dates in your message so is this your relative?
The monumental inscriptions at Loppington were transcribed in 1981 but there is no trace of anyone with the surname BAYLEY. This is not unusual because only a small proportion of those who were buried had a grave stone erected by their relatives.
Looking again on Find my Past there is a baptism for a John BAYLEY on 25 Dec 1779 at Loppington. His father's name was Richard and the mother Anne. Does this fit with your other information?
There is no trace of a John BAYLEY being baptised at Shawbury.
If you don't have access to Find my Past at home try your local library or archives.
Mike