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Shane Haynes
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hello

im looking for information on my grandad Alfred Ernest Matthews he was born Sept 1898, not sure of birth place but my mum remembers seeing Liverpool on his birth cert, he served in the Coldstream Guards as a drummer during the first world war and maybe the K.S.L.I as well? there was an Alfred Matthews working as a butler at Downton Hall, Stanton Lacy near Ludlow around 1920, this may be him as he also worked at Walford Manor doing the same sort of thing, although I can find no record of this! there is a lance sergeant  Alfred Matthews serving in the 6th battalion of the Lincolnshire reg in the 2nd world war? grandad died 6th Jan 1963 aged 64 but before his death he worked at the creamery in Ruyton XI Towns, his address at the time being 3 Guigg Hill, Ruyton XI Towns

 

any help would be much appreciated

Kind regards

Shane Haynes

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Hi if your certain of his date of birth l can only find 1 index if they put his full name down.

Name: Alfred Ernest Matthews
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1898
Registration district: Farnham
Inferred County: Surrey

the only 1 in Liverpool l can find with full name was born q2 1896

Other options are Alfred Matthews born q3 1898 in Salford Manchester.

Do you know your grandmother's maiden name so you could look up marraige.

 

 

Shane Haynes
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hello there, I have found the same info as yourself, unfortunatley the only info we have on him is from my mums memory, she remembers seeing a piece of paper regarding his baptism/christening and on it it said  it took place in liverpool, ive seen his death certificate and on it it says he was 64 when he died 6/4/1963 and she said his birthday was in november so nov 1898 is his dob, he and my nan never married and he only met up with her beteen 1945-1952, before that he lived down south, at some point he served in the cold stream guards as a drummer.

I am new to this and do appreciate and help thats available!

Thanks

Shane

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A search of the 1901 Census does not find him: you can check here...

http://www.1901censusonline.com

Also, a previous poster has asked for your grandmother's maiden name....

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1911 census transcription details for:  Newton Lane End Near Wakefield
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN27417 RG78PN1569 RD504 SD6 ED4 SN352
Reg. District: Wakefield Sub District: Stanley
Parish: Outwood Enum. District: 4
 
Address: Newton Lane End Near Wakefield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married
Sex Age Birth
Year
Occupation Where Born

MATTHEWS, George R Head Married  M 52 1859 Farm Labourer Yorks Hensell

MATTHEWS, Ellen Wife Married
24 years
 F 48 1863   Yorks Hensell

MATTHEWS, George Herbert Son Single  M 17 1894 General Pit Cotton Yorks Stanley Baish

MATTHEWS, Alfred Ernest Son Single  M 14 1897 Errand Lad Yorks Stanley Baish

MATTHEWS, Frances Matilda Daughter Single  F 8 1903 School Yorks Stanley Baish

 

MarkCDodd
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1901 census transcription details for:  Newton Lane, Outwood
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13      Piece: 4282      Folio:  132      Page:  21         
Reg. District: Wakefield Sub District: Stanley
Parish: Outwood Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: Outwood St Mary Magdalenes City/Municipal Borough:  
 
Address: Newton Lane, Outwood
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year
Occupation ,
Disability
Where Born

MATTHEWS, George Head Married  M 42 1859 Farm Labourer No Special Occupation Ramskill
Nottinghamshire

MATTHEWS, Ellen Wife Married  F 38 1863   Hensall
Yorkshire

MATTHEWS, John Wm Son    M 12 1889   Wrenthorpe
Yorkshire

MATTHEWS, Geo Ht Son    M 8 1893   Wrenthorpe
Yorkshire

MATTHEWS, Alfred Et Son    M 4 1897   Wrenthorpe
Yorkshire

 

MarkCDodd
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Name: Alfred E Matthews
Regiment or Corps: Coldstream Guards
Regimental Number: 10343

 

MarkCDodd
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His dad's birth.

Name: MATTHEWS, George Raynes
Registration District:  Help East Retford
County:  Nottinghamshire
Year of Registration:  1858
Quarter of Registration:  Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No:  Help 7B
Page No: Help 5

 

MarkCDodd
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His parent's marriage.

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: MATTHEWS, George Haynes
Registration District:  Howden
County:  Yorkshire
Year of Registration:  1886
Quarter of Registration:  Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name:  Not available before 1912
Volume No:  9D
Page No:  169
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: COTTON, Ellen
Registration District:  Howden
County:  Yorkshire
Year of Registration:  1886
Quarter of Registration:  Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name:  Not available before 1912
Volume No:  9D
Page No:  169

 

MarkCDodd
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Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: MATTHEWS, Alfred Ernest
Registration District:  Wakefield
County:  Yorkshire
Year of Registration:  1897
Quarter of Registration:  Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name:  Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No:  9C
Page No:  39

 

Shane Haynes
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hello there

 

my gandmothers name was doreen dovaston but he married before he met her and they never married, its his life before he met my grandmother i know little about

Shane Haynes
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hello mark, thanks for all that, you are obviously a lot more experienced in this sort of thing than myself, i only have one problem in that his d.o.b does not match hat my mum remembers, my mum swaers he was born in november, how sure are you of what you found?

again thanks i appreciate the help

shane

MarkCDodd
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If he was born in Yorkshire then that is the only one that matches.

Date of registration does not match date of birth.

He may have been born in November the previous year.

The only way to tell is order the certificate.

Martyn Freeth
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I find it quite common for (as later known) second forenames to be omitted at registrations of birth; so perhaps Shane should review Alfreds only in FreeBMD. Note also an Ernest Alfred Matthews registered in Liverpool in latter 1890s.

 

Mr Dodd’s findings may well be the ones that Shane seeks (and the Colstream record seems spot on) but Yorkshire does not fit the reported tradition.

 

Shane Haynes
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he wasnt born in yorkshire i dont for sure know where he was born just that he was baptised or christened in liverpool, his date of birth we know, Nov 1898, but ive always searched between 1897-1900 anyway, I favour Alfred Matthews born salford 1899, fits the closest to what we know, what would the best way to confirm either way?

also ive purchased a medal record for Alfred Ernest Matthews that was in the Coldstream Guards, it has more information but there are a lot of abreviations and military references that i wouldnt have a clue about (as well as terrible handwriting!) ould anybody be able to help me or point me in the right direction for help with that?

Much appreciated Shane