John TURNBULL

Do you mean BRIDGENORTH, SHROPSHIRE where JAMES TURNBULL was as on census 1861 there is one married to a MARY ANN TURNBULL living there ?

Angela

Hi Glen, I pay into findmypast where I can access censuses.   If you are in Oz, I can see him on various censuses if you would like me to email them to you. You may already have them but if you haven't let me know.

Angela

Thanks Angela,

I have all the census material relating to my ancestors at Pitchford and Bridgnorth, Shrophire. I was hoping some-one may have other details on the family or possibly find a long lost relative.

Yes, James and Mary Ann Turnbull resided in and around Bridgnorth for several decades, later living on the Isle of Wight.

Do you know the family at all? Great to hear from you.

Cheers, Glen.

There was a query posted on the old message board a year or two back about this John Turnbull. I recall having made searches for non-IGI baptisms and posting replies, but have nothing saved. Seem to recall origins in either Scotland or Northumberland. Angela will have this in her 1861 find.

Presumably this query is rather to look for modern descendants. One aid might be to search FreeBMD for births from 1912 onwards when one can enter merely the surname and mother’s maiden surname (if known), limiting the search, perhaps, to county or District. A letter to Shrewsbury Chronicle (kbennett@shropshirestar.co.uk) might bear some fruit.

Hi Glen, no, don't know the family, just trying to help out if you didn't have any access to records, which you obviously have. Good luck with your family.

Regards,

Angela

Glen,

I can provide the following facts about your TURNBULL family in Bridgnorth.

James TURNBULL of High Street was on the 1857 Burgess list.
James TURNBULL 50 High Street was on the 1863 Burgess list.

'Steward's 1886 Almanack' shows James TURNBULL was made Mayor in November 1868.

In the book 'Diary of George Gitton of Bridgnorth for 1866' TURNBULL is mentioned briefly on several occasions by name only. The Biographical index refers to him as James TURNBULL of 50 High St, Ironmonger as a Town Councillor in 1866 and Mayor in 1868-9.

In a book 'Bridgnorth a Pictorial History' C TURNBULL is identified in a photograph at the opening the Town Park in 1897.

In the Official Programme for the Bridgnorth 1930 Carnival, Mr & Mrs TURNBULL were listed as Vice Presidents.

From my own transcript of marriages at St Leonard's Church;
16 March 1858. James TURNBALL, age 28, Bach, Ironmonger of High Street. Father = John TURNBALL a Farmer.
to Mary Ann PRICE, age 20, Spinster of High Street. Father = John PRICE a Inn Keeper.

From my own transcript of marriages at St Mary's Church;
25 April 1893. Cecil James TURNBULL to Ethel Margaret DEIGHTON. Details available if needed.

Extracts from the local newspaper The Bridgnorth Journal;

Issue dated 20 Mar 1858 - Married in St Leonard's. James Turnbull, Ironmonger of High Street to Mary Ann PRICE, only dau of John PRICE of The Swan Inn.
22 Jan 1859 - Born a son to Mr J TURNBULL - Ironmonger of High Street.
6 Apr 1861 - Born a dau to Mr J TURNBULL, Ironmonger of High Street.
14 Feb 1863 - Born a son to James TURNBULL - Ironmonger.
17 Sept 1864 - Born a son to James TURNBULL - Ironmonger of High Street.
14 Sept 1889 - Married - Frederick TURNBULL, second son of Mr J TURNBULL of Tedstill. To Louisa JONES, eldest dau of Mr W JONES of Waterloo House of Bridgnorth.
15 Mar 1890 - Tradesmen applying for renewal of licenses included James TURNBULL, Ironmonger of 50 & 52 High Street for gun powder.
1 Aug 1891 - Notice - James TURNBULL - Ironmonger, 50 High Street is retiring. His son Cecil James TURNBULL continues the business.

Source of extracts - my own book - "Bridgnorth - News and Events between 1852 and 1900"

10 May 1919 - Notice - C.J TURNBULL - General Furnishings & Ironmonger in the High Street has sold his business to G.A Earle of Cirencester.

Burial in Bridgnorth Municipal Cemetery.
Cecil James TURNBULL, Retired Ironmonger, age 83 of The Lodge. St Leonard's Close, Bridgnorth. Buried 29 April 1942. Grave No.0748A2 Consecrated.
My files show there is a memorial. I'll photograph it if required?
 

Gwynne

http://www.rafbridgnorth.org.uk 

Dear Gwynne,

Many thanks for this information. Very muchly appreciated. I am unable to locate any known living descendants of this James Turnbull of Bridgnorth, Shropshire, despite using FreeBDMs, familysearch and the telephone directories. I am actually a descendant of James' younger brother William, who was born at Pitchford, Shropshire in 1831. Yes, their father John Turnbull (c1789 - 1870) was reported born in the tiny village of Roddam in Northumberland.

Thanks once again for all your assistance.

Cheers,

Glen.

Hello Martyn,

Thank you for your reply. I'll contact the Shrewsbury Chronicle and see what happens. You just never know! Thanks once again.

Cheers, Glen.

Hello again Gwynne,

Now that I have taken the time to properly read through your wonderful response to my enquiry, and to take on board all this detail, could I take up your kind offer and receive the finer details of Cecil James Turnbull's marriage to Ethel Margaret Deighton; as well a photograph of the Turnbull grave at  the Bridgnorth Municipal Cemetery.

If you need anything regarding family history research in the state of Victoria in Australia, please let me know. I would be very pleased to assit you where I can.

I work as an Archivist in several schools and have access to some good resources for Victoria.

Cheers, Glen.

Hi Glen,

I've photographed the memorial for Cecil James TURNBULL in Bridgnorth Municipal Cemetery.
The photograph is now on a temporary web page I use for such things.
http://www.rafbridgnorth.org.uk/familyhistory/variousfolder/various.html

As requested, details of the marriage on 25 April 1893 at St. Mary's Church, Bridgnorth.
Cecil James TURNBULL, age 34, Bach, Ironmonger of High Street. Father = John TURNBULL, Gentleman.
to
Ethel Margaret DEIGHTON, age 21, Spin, - East Castle Street. Father = Charles DEIGHTON, Wine Merchant.
The same DEIGHTON family still run prominent businesses in Bridgnorth.

Gwynne
 

Glen,
Whilst searching the microfilm copies of the Bridgnorth Journal, I can across this mention of your ancestor in the 29 April 1939 issue.

Death of Mr. F. TURNBULL.
Member of well-known Bridgnorth family.
The ‘Journal’ regrets to announce the death, at Hove, on Thursday, of Mr. Frederick John TURNBULL, second son of the late Mr James TURNBULL and younger brother of the well known Bridgnorth sportsman, Mr Cecil J TURNBULL.
Born in 1863, Mr TURNBULL went to Hove in 1880 and had, since then, carried on the business of a wine and spirit merchant. He was one of the finest all-round sportsmen in Sussex. In 1888 he became actively identified with Brighton Brunswick Cricket Club and proved for many years a forcing batsman and an exceptionally fine field. He also assisted the Gentlemen of Sussex several times. During the winter in the 80’s he was a well-known Rugby player with fine speed as a sprinter. He was a member of Brighton Foot Beagles Hunt, an expert in horticulture, popular after-dinner speaker and a loyal supporter of Sussex County Cricket.
Mr TURNBULL paid frequent visits to Bridgnorth and his widow is a local lady. Before her marriage she was Miss Louisa JONES, eldest daughter of Mr William JONES, of Bridgnorth.

 Gwynne

Hello Glen

Following on from Gwynne's posting above I looked for a possible Probate for your ancestor on the listing at Ancestry. The entry reads:-

"TURNBULL Frederick John of 40 First-avenue Hove Sussex died 27 April 1939 Probate London 18 July 1939 to Louisa Turnbull widow. Effects £3184 19s 4d."

Mike

Dear Gwynne,

You have been wonderful to supply such details, as well as images of the headstone of Cecil James Turnbull. If you need anything researched in Victoria, Australia, please let me know.

Regards,
Glen Turnbull.

Hello Mike,

Many thanks for the details. I suspect there are no descendants of Frederick John Turnbull. Amazing that this fellow was a wine merchant, yet my father was bought up as a non-drinking Methodists.

Regards, Glen T.