HUGHES/FELTON

Hello, there are some Felton's in the printed Great Bolas parish register ending about 1812. I may be able to find you some other Felton research too. Another member was also researching Feltons on the Staffs/Shrop border. Will hunt through my notes 4 you.

Thank you for any help you may be able to give me. I am 62 yr old and have never seen or heard of any of my Grandmothers family in my entire life. I live in Canada and it is 102 yr scince she came to Canada only to die at a young age here when my mother was only about 10 yr old.

Again, thank you for any help you might be able to give me in this quest for my grandmothers family.

A bit more info would be nice:  such as, were your GP married in UK or in Canada ?
If you have the certificate, it is useful to say so...

Otherwise, just trying to get a handle on your problem:
based on your age, & presuming your mother was born c.1925, then your grandparents might be marrying say, 1920 (in Canada therefore), otherwise before 1909, (in UK, therefore).

One might expect to find them (or at least your GM...) on the 1901 English Census, either as single people or as a married couple:  you could try searching: http://www.1901censusonline.com.

Despite lack of details, I searched FreeBMD ( http://www.freebmd.org.uk ) for a possible marriage for them in UK, to no success.  This may or may not suggest a marriage in Canada.

Otherwise, there are two potentially interesting FELTON families on the 1881 Census, in Salop, which might be inter-related: look on http://www.familysearch.org and select Census / English Census

Both contain an Eleanor Felton, one of whom is aged "17"  and the other one MAY be her grandmother...
Bear in mind that an Eleanor born in 1864 would be aged abt. 45 when emigrating in 1909...

If she married in 1912 & had your mother right away, and then died 10 yrs later, she would be d. aged abt. 57-ish.  (My own GM died young, aged 52) (in some famlilies, young could be 60 yrs old or more...).

If you can perhaps narrow down some of the above info, & report back here, then somebody might be able to help !

Happy hunting

morrisonman

Thank You very much for your trouble. I will get on it and do some leg work at the sites listed. I will try to dig up some documents but most have been lost over the years. They were married in Canada. Records here are hard to access.

Thank you again,

hughes felton

My Grandmother was born 1889 not sure where exactly, but she traveled from Shropshire (Ironbridge). She was friends with my grandfathers sisters and so I assume she was from Shropshire as they were also. No account of her in the cencus. She was married here in 1909 the same year she arrived   and she was about 30yr old. She died 10 yr later when she was 40.

Each turn is a step forward but a dead end at the same time. At least I know more now than i did two weeks ago.

Thanks so much for any help.

hughes felton

Thanks for the additional info.
However, your arithmetic troubles me somewhat (and I am no mathematician...):
(1) If as you say her b. = 1889 but you do not know the place of birth presumably you do not have her b/c, so how sure are U that she was born in 1889 ?

(2) if she married in 1909, same year she arrived in Canada, & she was "about 30 yr" when marrying, then somebody is 10 years out, because (1909) less 30 years = 1879 and not 1889...

This changes things somewhat...

Please consider recalculating her age or checking with your source.

On the off chance, I scanned IGI (http://www.familysearch.org) for an Eleanor Felton, born around 1879--1880, and got the following:
Christening: Eleanor Matilda Feltham
19 JUL 1879       Hingham, Norfolk, England
Parents:  Father:      Henry Feltham  /  Mother:      Mary Ann Feltham
This may or may not be significant.  In any event, it is a very long way from Ironbridge...
In addition, I cannot find her at 1881 Census.
At 1901 Census, she would be aged "about 21"... here she is in London:
Eleanor M Felton        26    Norfolk Hockering    London    Islington
Otherwise, an alternative but very long shot at 1901 Census is the following:
Emily Felton    24    Norfolk Lynn    Suffolk    Sudbury    Corset Maker

Otherwise, I scanned FreeBMD for the period 1875 to 1890, and there are only 3X (three) "EF" in the whole of England, as follows  (however, note that FreeBMD is an ongoing project...):-

Surname      First name(s)            District      Vol      Page
Births Mar 1883 Felton     Eleanor Mary          Wolverhampton     6b    606
Births Dec 1883 FELTON     Eleanor           Birmingham     6d    106
Births Mar 1887 Felton     Eleanor           Kidderminster     6c    242
However, IGI apparently contains a "tourist" entry for the last one, stating "d. aged 100 in 1987"...
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Another alternative: changing the spelling somewhat gives the following:

Surname      First name(s)            District      Vol      Page
Births Mar 1880   (>99%)
Felton     Helena Emily          Lutterworth     7a    4
Checked her out at 1901 but no meaningful result: she would be 29-ish when emigrating in 1909, which may fit in with your GM...
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Suggest you check the 1901 Census of England, for Walter Hughes:
It’s a common name -- do you know if he had a middle initial, by any chance ?
I did an approximate search...
Results: 1 - 6 of 6 Matches
View     Name        Age        Where born        Administrative county        Civil parish        Occupation   
Walter Hughes    21    Shropshire Atcham    Chester    Winnington    Co Op Soci Clerk
Walter Hughes    26    Shropshire    Lilleshall    ...
Walter P Hughes    18    Salop Oswestry    Shropshire    Oswestry Urban    Baker Bread Maker
Walter Hughes    16    Salop Ludlow    Shropshire    Ludlow St Lawrence    Labourer
Walter Hughes    26    Salop St Martins    Shropshire    St Martins    Coal Pit Labourer
Walter Hughes    17    Sellatyn Shropshire    Denbighshire    Chirk    Carpenter
(c) http://www.1901censusonline.com

Finally, another line of enquiry would be to check shipping records for émigré passenger lists:
This will probably cost you (via purchase of vouchers in order to look up over the Web, I am no expert...):  here’s a suggested search to perform through your browser: "passenger lists England to Canada" etc.

Please keep the forum updated with your progress!
Good luck,
MM

Thank you for your trouble once again!  I got a record of her death and it was 1929 9 13 and at age 40. I am sending for a copy of the certificate which may lend more information. I deducted her age from the year she died and got 1889 thats where that came from. I have absolutely no other information of her as all has been lost over the years. My GF name was Walter Llewelyn Hughes.

I can't quite find the words to express my gratitude for your help.

Again, thank you very much for your assistance. I will keep the forum posted on any progress I make here.

hughes felton

Yes about the math.............. it's a good thing there isn't a skill testing question to join this forum as it seems I would be sunk......... I'll get it right one of these postings. 

Hi, thanks for that !

Guess it is NIGHT over there ...

Now we're getting somewhere (-:

(with your GF, at least !)

from FreBMD:     Births Jun 1882 Hughes     Walter Llewellyn           Madeley     6a    670
From 1901 Census:   Walter L Hughes    19    Shrops Jackfield            Encaustic Tile Sorter
(No marriage for him on FreeBMD)

Perhaps I'll be back soon !

MM

Just a bit more, I am discovering this like yrself, in dribs and drabs (-:

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Going back to the 1901 Census, for your g/f  Walter L Hughes:
I do not have  pay-up facility for Census, but by deduction, one could guess that his father is Henry D Hughes (same place, occupation), also an elder brother (in Lancs by similar employ deduction), and perhaps 2 younger brothers.

By further deduction, looking back at the 1881 Census, a Henry Hughes married Ellen somebody, about 4 yrs previous: checking this against FreeBMD, gives the following:
Marriages Mar 1876 HUGHES     Henry Dixon          Madeley     6a    929
There is thus an off-chance that these 2 people might be Walter’s parents...
(If you get this m/c, you will also find THEIR parents, potentially).
Cross-checking again, for his likely birth year etc. on IGI gives the fwg:
HENRY DIXON HUGHES Christening, 09 FEB 1843       Broseley, Shropshire, England
Suggest you check this on FreeBMD, esp. if you want to get the b/c.
Parents:  / Father:      HENRY DIXON HUGHES  //  Mother:      REBECCA
These are the same people as you will see on the 1881 Census, his parents, therefore, watermen from the south. You could again check further back in IGI for THEIR marriage, perhaps.  They might even be on FreeBMD...
Similarly, you could check FreeBMD again for potential deaths for HDH and his wife, Ellen Hughes...

Note that Ellen HUGHES is not visible at 1901 - she seems to have d. after the 1881 Census : you should check this on FreeBMD...
Otherwise, not getting very far with your G/M, however, there does seem to be a passenger-list entry for her, for 1909, to Canada, avl on the web by paying...  Suggest you check that one out yourself, that way I am not contravening the advertising code (-:

More later perhaps,
MM

Wow,,,,,,,,,,  I'm speechless once again,,,,,,,,,,, I will get right at it. Piece by piece it looks like this just might work,,,,,,,,, I have contacted other sources aswell and  something should connect soon.  Are the "pay" sites safe like the ones mentioned on this forum safe? I have a time trusting this medium sometimes.

Thank you once again,

hughes felton

Safe ?

Good question !

Is anything "safe" on the Internet (-:    (I woud not bet on it...)

For me it is as much a question of, who am I giving my CASH to (never mind my details !)

Guess the GRO site is "OK" (although they DO make the occasional error, and debit one's card TWICE, for  example).

better keep this short, is is not related to SALOP (-:

mm

Just a bit more thinking about Eleanor FELTON.

Your record states death as 1929 9 13 and at age 40.
This means possible YoB = 1889 OR 1888.
Considering the following:
1. FreeBMD is still an ongoing project, so data is not yet complete.
2. Based on input data for Eleanor Felton, i.e. born 1889 (or 1888), there is no entry in FreeeBMD.
3. There is a FreeBMD entry for a Birth, Mar 1887, Felton, Eleanor, Kidderminster,  6c/242    
4. This is the nearest entry to your input data.
5. I went straight for this event, but backed off at IGI entry stating, " d. aged 100 in 1987"...
6. For the purposes of this theory, I am discounting this tourist entry, until proven wrong otherwise....[the thinking being that whoever put it there might just be as wrong as myself ]  (-:
7. Based on this entry, it is relatively easy to find this ELEANOR at 1901 Census, aged "14".
8. By extrapolation, you can identify her (notional) family by searching 1901 for "FELTON, Males, Kidderminster", then by seaching again for Females.  (TIP: inject data into a Word file, it is easier to search).
9. This produces her "notional parents", father Philip Felton; Marriage avl on FreeBMD.
10. Backtracking to 1881 Census for this couple identifies the household at that time.

You state that yr g/m "was friends with my grandfathers sisters and so I assume she was from Shropshire as they were also"   Yr g/f sisters (per 1881 census via earlier post) appear to be Mary  Jane HUGHES and Sarah Anna HUGHES
I have noted a Mary Jane HUGHES on FreeBMD, marrying in Kidderminster, 2Q1900. It is tempting to imagine this might be your gt/aunt...  but it might take a bit of proving (-:  Sarah Anna appears to be in service at Wolstanton, I was rather hoping one or other of these girls might give a lead to your g/m...

Did you also consider that Eleanor and Walter might have emigrated TOGETHER ?
Here is the Canada archives site for searching shipping lists: does not look easy (-: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php

best of luck,

MM

Now I've got something to chew on,,,,,,,,,,, I will go over everything and try to come up with some info as some other information has surfaced within the last 12 hours. I will get back to the forum when I've had a chance to go through it all ,,,,,,,,,,,, amazing how this information has a way of coming out of "no where".

Thanks so much,

hughes felton

My GF sisters were Ethel Hughes bd unknown, was friends with my Grandmother and came over 1909

The other sister Alice Hughes, born Jackfield Shropshire, june 10, 1891

His brother was Arthur Hughes bd unknown

OK, hope you are getting somewhere !

Otherwise, here is a Very Long-shot Theory...
1. Considering that FreeBMD is still an ongoing project (data is not yet complete...):-
2. Based on stated input data for Eleanor Felton, that is, born 1880, there is no entry in FreeeBMD.
3. There is an entry for a Helena E Felton, b. 1880, Lutterworth.  She is on 1881 Census, in London
4. Appears to marry in 4Q1909.  This might mean she actually married in 3Q (& was registered in October...), possible husband being Arthur J Smith.
5. Said Arthur J Smith MIGHT be the one d. in DEC Q 1909, aged 59, in Paddington. (this could also mean 3Q, Sept, declared OCTOBER...).
6. This would (theoretically) STILL leave her the time to emigrate to Canada in 1909...
7. Checked 1901 Census for Arthur J Smith of relative age - a likely candidate being Fruiterer, Hammersmith., born Birmingham.
8. This might provide a reason for emigration, but it still leaves the problem of resolving her emigrtion name (maiden name vs married name).

Good luck,

MM

Hi Hughes. I have found a migration form for ELEANOR FELTON SINGLE going to Canada in 12 August 1909 ALSO ON IT IS ETHEL HUGHES. This is printed version but if you post your email address on  here ,  then I will email you the original form.  Hope that this helps

Angela.

	Eleanor FELTON
Date of departure:	12 August 1909
Port of departure:	Liverpool
Passenger destination port:	Quebec, Canada
Passenger destination:	Quebec, Canada
Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status:	Single
Sex:	Female
Occupation:	Spin

wow, that is impressive & nice to see, (and not even intended for me !!)

I am very glad for Hughes

mm

My god , I don't know what to say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I can't thank you enough for this, it's incredible,,,,

thank you so much.

You have no idea how much this means to me,,,,(but I think you do) This is the closest I have ever been to my granmothers life and I am so grateful for this information.

hughes felton

just a quick note to all who've helped me out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, thank you all so very much. I am currently digging on this side of the pond for more info about my family. Without  the help of this forum and the generous members here I would not be able to do this.

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

Hughes Felton

This forum will be updated as I make my earth moving discoveries..................   HF

just a quick note to all who've helped me out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, thank you all so very much. I am currently digging on this side of the pond for more info about my family. Without  the help of this forum and the generous members here I would not be able to do this.

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

Hughes Felton

This forum will be updated as I make my earth moving discoveries..................   HF

just a quick note to all who've helped me out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, thank you all so very much. I am currently digging on this side of the pond for more info about my family. Without  the help of this forum and the generous members here I would not be able to do this.

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

Hughes Felton

This forum will be updated as I make my earth moving discoveries..................   HF

That's ok Hughes,  anything else we can do for you, don't hesitate to ask. Glad we were able to get you on track with your ancestors.

Best wishes, Angela