George BROWN

Hi Robert,

Married on 30 Sept 1900 at St Mary's Church, Bridgnorth.
George BROWN, age 34, single, Licensed Victualler of The Bull Inn. Bridge Street. Father = John BROWN, Labourer.
Rose ROWLEY, age 31, single, of The Bull Inn. Bridge St. Father = William ROWLEY, Licensed Victualler.

I assume you have them on the 1901 Bridgnorth census. You may recall there was a Nellie ROWLEY visiting them.

Both previous Landladies of The Bull Inn had died there in 1892 and 1900!

The annual renewal of licensed properties, as printed in the local newspaper, may help to determine when George BROWN started at and left the Bull Inn.

The former Bull Inn building still stands today as the headquarters (and bar!) of Bridgnorth Rugby Club. 

Regards,

Gwynne

http://www.rafbridgnorth.org.uk 

Hello Robert

George BROWN was at the Bush Hotel 1913 and 1917.  But had left by 1926.

Hope this helps.

Sue

Thank you Gwynne, thank you Sue any further information would be most welcome.

Regards,Robert..

Hi Robert

The National Probate Calendar for 1934 shows: BROWN George of 11 High-street Hadley Shropshire died 18 April 1934 Probate Shrewsbury 28 May to John Frederick BROWN metal worker and William Albert ROWLEY signalman. Effects £91 9s. 4d.

This ties in with the death registration of George BROWN, age 68, at Wellington, Shropshire, June quarter 1934; volume 6a, page 813. Calculated year of birth from this would be 1865/6.

John Frederick BROWN was presumably the son of George, shown on the 1911 census as Frederick John BROWN (then age 7). It was not unusual for people to switch their forenames around at that time.

Steve

Thank you Steve for the latest update on George BROWN.

I did learn today from my wifes cousin (Margaret BROWN 80 ) that George did live in Castle St, Hadley at one time, possibly after leaving the Bush so he probably moved to 11 High st later on. As I mentioned previously his seven children had to move on in life so I am presuming that the younger ones moved with him to Castle st until old enough to fend for themselves.

In the 1911 census the occupants of the Bush Hotel were.George BROWN 44 head, Rose BROWN 40 wife, Ethel Nellie BROWN 8 daughter,Frederick John BROWN 9 son,Hilda Rose BROWN 8 daughter (my late mother-in-law), Eric Albert and Stanley George BROWN 4 twins, Constance May BROWN 11 months. Also a Nellie ROWLEY who was the twin sister of Rose.

Thank you all once again for your help, could you please keep the information coming and whilst I am at it could I once again ask as to where Hadley Lodge fits into the equation?

Regards, Robert Hanley.

Hello Robert

Hadley Lodge was located half a mile due east of Hadley village centre at map reference SJ 684 119. On the modern Ordnance Survey map its position is in a blank area marked 'Clay Pit'.

If you look at the British History Online web site you will find Hadley Lodge clearly marked on a 1:10,560 (6" to 1 mile) map of 1889. Use the Zoom settings just below the map to see a wider picture and also click on 'Show modern OS' to see the same area on a modern map - you will need to scroll down to actually see it.

If you buy a copy of the Alan Godfrey map of Hadley as it was in 1901 again you will find Hadley Lodge clearly marked.

The main problem you have is the massive amount of change which has taken place since Telford was created in the 1960's. It is even difficult to compare old and new maps because so little remains.

Mike

Thank you Mike. As it happens I have all the area Alan Godfrey maps and have located Hadley lodge.

When George's parents got married his father John was living at Leaton and his mother in Wrockwardine so it threw me a bit. What was Hadley lodge exactly as John at the time of marriage was a Farm labourer?

I have managed to unearth a copy of his death certificate and see that he died at 18 1/2 Holyhead Road. (How do you type a half on these modern keyboards?) No 18 is more or less opposite the Hare and Hounds and was possibly built after his death although I don't know when these houses were erected. His home address at the time of his death is given as 11 High St, Hadley.

Robert.

Hello Robert

There was a book printed in 1982 called "The Hadley Book" in which there are a  couple of mentions of Mr and Mrs BROWN of the Bush Hadley.  It also mentions their son in law, Allan STEWART, who it states opened a cinema in what had previously been the Primitive Methodist Chapel.

The address you state was on the Death Certificate was the address used for the Wellington Workhouse, Holyhead Road, Wellington, later the Wrekin Hospital and now I think it is a Nursing Home.  The 11 High Street Hadley is a row of cottages opposite what was  the Bush Inn Hadley.

I also had an ancestor who lived at Hadley Lodge on the 1861 Census.  So you have helped me I didn't know where it was located.

Sue

Thank you for that information Sue.

I realised when I read it that in the Census I did not include Gertrude BROWN who in fact married Allan STEWART, Allan did in fact own the Regal cinema in Plough Rd, Wrockwardine Wood. He closed it as a cinema in 1958 and my wife informs me that he changed it into a swmming baths. This was before the Jehova witnesses turned it into a Kingdom Hall.

Allan and Gertie then moved and ran the Bush in St Georges.

Robert.

Hello Robert

I have found a web site about local public houses in the Telford Area.  There are three photos of the old Bush Hotel Hadley and one of the later Bush public house at Hadley (which has now been demolished).  The web site states that Rose BROWN was the Licensee from 1901 to 1925.  But the Manager prior to that from 1896 was a Rose ROWLEY.  I assume this is the same person!

On the photo of 1925 there are three females standing outside the Hotel.  Do I assume these possibly are the BROWN family?

Have you seen these photos?

Sue

Yes thank you Sue I posted the pictures. The three women pictured are Ethel, Rose and Hilda my late mother-in-law.

I presume George met Rose when he was a customer at the Bush, because Rose was managing the pub prior to marrying George, for a Mr PITCHFORD, who was the owner of the Union Brewery. Rose and George were  married at St Mary Magdalene Bridgnorth Sept 30th 1900 when they were licencees of the Bull Inn, Bridge St Bridgnorth which is now the premises of the Bridgnorth Rugby club of which the outer appearance has hardly changed at all.

The ROWLEY family were well known in the licensing trade in those days running The Greyhound  and Omnibus at Oakengates, the Exchange in Madeley and the Meadow on the Buildwas Rd to name but a few so I presume her father, William ROWLEY set her up at the Bush.

Robert.

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Dale

Thank you Dale we learn something every day!

Robert.

I  have looked at this thread many times.  I am researching my great grandfather, Findley ROWLEY.  He was born September 12, 1893 to Eleanor ROWLEY in Wall. No father is listed and I have heard several stories of why, but it was never really talked about.  The pregnancy was hidden from Eleanor's father, William ROWLEY. Findley was raised by Eleanor's mother, Hannah Ray ROWLEY's family, Richard Ray.
In the 1901 census Findley is listed as a boarder so I don't believe he was ever adopted legally.
He met wife, Charlotte Roy, in Paris during WW1, he brought her to Oakengates to get married, March 24, 1918.
I am wondering if  Rose's twin sister "Nellie" is possibly Findley's mother.  I have contact with a family member of the Ray family that is also researching Findley.  She never heard of there being twins.  If anyone has any information it would be great.  When i saw the picture of Rose BROWN, I saw the likeness of Findley.

Births Sep 1869

ROWLEY Eleanor Madeley 6a 600
ROWLEY Rose Madeley 6a 600

Here's your proof that Rose and "Nellie " were twins !
BOTH HAVE SAME BIRTH REFERENCES !

Regards
Angela

My filing system shows that George BROWN was living in 1933. - a year before his death. - at Laurel Place, Castle Street. By the way, the Hadley church register shows that George and his wife took Hilda Rose to Holy Trinity, Hadley, in 1905. The PITCHFORD family owned the brewery called Pitchford and Co and that before George, Mr Ernest PITCHFORD was licensee and, in 1896, Rose ROWLEY was the manager.After George left the pub in 1926, his place was taken by Richard RALPHS's. Good hunting, Terry Gilder

I have just come out of hospital after having an operation for a triple A Aneuryism and am just catching up with this thread.

I must say that the last 4 posts are of real interest to me and I hope to add to them in the very near future.

Please keep posting

PerhapsJennya23 could post a confirmation.

Robert.

I am still here and still searching.
Thanks

Jennya23.  If you would care to email me  Batstiger@aol.com I can supply you with a copy of a portrait of the Rowley family which includes :-  William and Hannah mother and father.Rose and Nellie, twins, Annie and Clara, sisters and William, Holland Bertram, Raymond brothers.

Robert.

Hi Jennya 23,

I have sent you the picture and a further bit of information, perhaps you would be good enough to acknowledge receipt please.

Regards, Robert.

Jennya23

Surely you have had time to acknowledge my email to you?

Robert.

sorry Robert!

I have sent an email to you.

Yes, I have received the email from you.

Hi Jennya

I have passed your message on to Margaret but with her failing eyesight she is unable to comment on the photographs. If you learn any more please keep in touch as we are all interested in the subject and if I unearth any more pictures of ELLEN I will let you have copies.

ROBERT.