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coulbychap
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I am doing some family research and believe my family originated from the Shropshire area. My grandfather Joseph Davies was born in Shropshire 1876 and had four children Elsie May Parkin (born Davies) 1902, Violet Davies 1902-1908, William Henry Davies 1906-1927, Joseph Fredrick Davies 1908-?. He then moved to Middlesbrough possibly to work in the steel industry and married my grandmother Mary Davies and had my father Kenneth Davies 1921-1999. I never had any contact with my father. Not even seen a picture of him.
Any help would be appreciated.

Michael J Hulme
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Hello

You say your grandfather was Joseph DAVIES born 1876 Shropshire but there are at least five possible people this could be.  Do you know where in Shropshire he was born and have you found a baptism for him?

If I have read your message correctly Joseph above had a son Joseph Frederick DAVIES born 1908. If I have found the correct person he was born in Middlesbrough.  Is this the correct person?

Can you please include the maiden surnames of your mother and grand mother to help sort out who is who.

Mike

 

Gwynne Chadwick
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Hi,

Research appears to show that your grandfather Joseph DAVIES moved to Middlesbrough earlier than you thought. Born in 1876 in Horsehay, Dawley, he married Mary Ellen Robson on 31st March 1902 at Saint Hilda of Whitby, Middlesbrough. Joseph was the son of Enoch DAVIES and Mary Ellen was the daughter of William ROBSON.

Joseph and Mary Ellen appear to have had 8 children rather than the 4 you mention.

Elsie May.- Birth registered September qtr 1902 Middlesbrough district.

Age 8 on the 1911 census.

Fanny Eliza.- Birth registered December qtr 1903 Middlesbrough district.

Birth date 30 July 1903. Baptism date 14 August 1903 in Middlesbrough.

Perhaps died in December 1908.

Violet Ellen.- Birth registered March qtr 1905 Middlesbrough district.

Birth date 21 Dec 1904. Baptism date 11 Jan 1905 in Middlesbrough.

Perhaps died in December 1908.

William Henry.- Birth registered December qtr 1906 Middlesbrough district.

Age 4 on the 1911 census.

Joseph Frederick.- Birth registered December qtr 1908 Middlesbrough district.

Age 2 on the 1911 census.

Marjorie.- Birth registered June qtr 1910 Middlesbrough district.

Raymond.- Birth registered Sept qtr 1911 Middlesbrough district.

Perhaps died in December 1912.

Nellie. - Birth registered December qtr 1912 Middlesbrough district.

 

Joseph’s first wife Mary Ellen probably died in July 1916 in Middlesbrough district.

Joseph DAVIES then married Mary HARRISON in the December qtr 1919 in Middlesbrough district.

Your father Kenneth DAVIES was born in the September qtr 1921 in Middlesbrough district.

There are several family trees available online that include this Joseph DAVIES and his family.

With there being several similar named families in Middlesbrough at that time, you should purchase the certificates to ensure accuracy.

Hope that helps. 

johnp3
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Hi Coulbychap, some info for you. I do have some earlier info of your lineage, if you would like to have it just reply to this.

And are you mainly after a photo & info on your father's life?

Best Regards

J.P

Your Lineage from the info you provided.

Marriage:
First name(s)     Enoch      Bachelor  Signed X
Last name     Davies     Occ:Puddler
Age     21
Residence     New Works
Father's first name(s)     Joseph  Occ:Charter Master
Father's last name     Davies
Marriage date     28 Jul 1873
Spouse's age     20
Marriage place     Wellington, Christ Church
Spouse's first name(s)     Harriett    Spinster Sign her name
Spouse's last name     Machin
Spouse's residence     New Works
Spouse's father's first name(s) William  Occ:Heater?
Spouse's father's last name     Machin
Wit:William Davies, Maria Sarah Davies
Marriage year     1873
County     Shropshire
Register date range     1859-1877
Archive reference     P292/A/2/2
Denomination     Anglican
Page     181
Register type     Marriage
Record set     Shropshire Marriages
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
Collections from     Great Britain, England

Their Children
Birth:
DAVIES, THOMAS         MACHIN      
GRO Reference: 1873  J Quarter in WELLINGTON SALOP UNION  Volume 06A  Page 801  

Possible Death?
DAVIES, THOMAS         0  
GRO Reference: 1875  M Quarter in WELLINGTON SALOP UNION  Volume 06A  Page 689

Births
DAVIES, WILLIAM  HENRY       MACHIN      
GRO Reference: 1874  M Quarter in MADELEY  Volume 06A  Page 631

Birth:
DAVIES, JOSEPH         MACHAM      
GRO Reference: 1876  J Quarter in WELLINGTON SALOP UNION  Volume 06A  Page 837

Baptism:
First name(s)     Joseph
Last name     Davies
Residence     Horsehay, Shropshire, England
Baptism date     19 Apr 1876
Place     Horsehay
Father's first name(s)     Enoch
Father's last name     Davies
Mother's first name(s)     Harriet
Mother's last name     -
Baptism year     1876
Record set     England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     England, Great Britain
County     Shropshire
Country     England

Birth:
DAVIES, THOMAS FREDERICK GEORGE         MACHAM      
GRO Reference: 1881  M Quarter in WELLINGTON SALOP UNION  Volume 06A  Page 804

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Horsehay Common, Wellington, Shropshire, England
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
Harriett    Davies    Head    Married    Female    26    1855    Coal miners wife  Horsehay Common, Shropshire, England
William Henry    Davies    Son    Single    Male    7    1874    Scholar    Shropshire, England
Joseph    Davies    Son    Single    Male    5    1876    Scholar     Horsehay Common, Shropshire, England
Charles    Davies    Son    Single    Male    2    1879    -    Shropshire, England
Thomas F C    Davies    Son    Single    Male    0 (9 Weeks)    1881    -    Shropshire, England

Birth:
DAVIES, ARTHUR  MACHIN       MACHIN      
GRO Reference: 1893  M Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 543

Death:
DAVIES, ARTHUR  MACHIN       1  
GRO Reference: 1894  S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 324

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
18, Theodore Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
Enoch    Davies    Head    Married    Male    49    1852    Slinger iron works    Dawley, Shropshire, England
Harriet    Davies    Wife    Married    Female    45    1856    -    Horsehay common, Shropshire, England
Joseph    Davies    Son    Single    Male    25    1876    Iron works labourer    Shropshire, England
Thomas F G    Davies    Son    Single    Male    20    1881    Railway locomotive fireman    Shropshire, England
Enoch    Davies    Son    Single    Male    17    1884    Iron moulder    Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
Earnest    Davies    Son    -    Male    15    1886    S? packer    Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
Septimus    Davies    Son    -    Male    12    1889    -    Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England

Births:
DAVIES, ENOCH         MACHIN      
GRO Reference: 1883  S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 535

DAVIES, ERNEST         MACHIN      
GRO Reference: 1885  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 528

DAVIES, SEPTIMUS         MACHIN      
GRO Reference: 1888  S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 571

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1st Marriage:
Marriages Mar 1902
Davies     Joseph          Middlesbro'     9d    845
Robson     Mary Ellen     Middlesbro'     9d    845
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Their Children:
Births:

DAVIES, ELSIE  MAY               ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1902  S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 617

DAVIES, VIOLET  ELLEN       ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1905  M Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 557
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Death:
DAVIES, VIOLET  ELLEN       3  
GRO Reference: 1908  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 373
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Births:
DAVIES, WILLIAM  HENRY       ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 504

DAVIES, JOSEPH  FREDERICK       ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1908  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 575
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1911 Census For England & Wales
8 St Pauls Road Thornaby-On-Tees, Thornaby, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship to head    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
Joseph    Davies    Head    Married    Male    35    1876    Mill loader    Shropshire Horsay
Mary Ellen    Davies    Wife    Married    Female    34    1877    -    Marton Yorks
William    Robson    Brother in law    Single    Male    37    1874    Labourer    Yorkshire Mbro
Elsie    Davies    Daughter    -    Female    8    1903    -    Yorkshire Mbro
William    Davies    Son    -    Male    4    1907    -    Yorkshire Mbro
Frederick    Davies    Son    -    Male    2    1909    -    Yorkshire Mbro
Elizabeth    Small    Servant    Single    Female    15    1896    General servant domestic    Tintorpe Yorks

Death:
DAVIES, MARY  ELLEN       39  
GRO Reference: 1916  S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 631

2nd Marriage:
Marriages Dec 1919
Davies     Joseph     Middlesbro'     9d    1476
HARRISON Mary     Middlesbro     9d    1476

Births Sep 1921
Davies     Kenneth     Harrison     Middlesbro'     9d    1181    

1939 Register
18 Letitia Street, Middlesbrough, Middlesbrough C.B., Yorkshire (North Riding), England
First name(s)    Last name(s)    Birth date    Sex    Occupation    Marital status    
Joseph    Davies    31 Mar 1876    Male    Heavy Flat Bank Steelworker    Married    
Mary    Davies    01 Feb 1878    Female    Unpaid Domestic Duties    Married    
The record for this person is officially closed.

Death:                  Birth Year  
DAVIES, KENNETH           1921  
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q4/1999 in MIDDLESBROUGH  (3481C)  Reg C8A  Entry Number 12

Death:
First name(s)     Kenneth
Last name     Davies
Registration Month 12
Death quarter     4
Death year     1999
Date of registration mm/yy     1299
District     Middlesbrough
Birth day     28
Birth month     7
Birth year     1921
District number     3481C
Register number     C8A
Entry number     012
County     Yorkshire
Country     England
Age     -
Record set     England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from     Great Britain, England
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I Believe this is Your Kenneth's likely Marriage:
Marriages Mar 1965
Davies     Kenneth   Middlesbro'     1b    1535
BUNTING     Edna M       Middlesbro'     1b    1535

His Wife's details:
Births Dec 1923
CRUSE     Edna M          Collins     Middlesbro'     9d    890

Her 1st Marriage:
Marriages Jun 1945
Cruse     Edna M      Middlesbro'     9d    1334
Bunting     Harry      Middlesbro'     9d    1334

 

johnp3
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Hi Coulbychap, I found out that not all births are avilable on the new GRO website.

On my research I only went looking for Joseph & Mary Ellen Davies childred still living at the time of the 1911 Census which was taken on 2nd April.

I now see it stated on that census they had had 6 children in total but ony 3 had survived.

So now it looks likely that Joseph & Mary Ellen Davies could have had more than the 8 children listed below, so perhaps one or more could be missing from this list.

Best Regards

J.P

Known births:

DAVIES, ELSIE  MAY               ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1902  S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 617

DAVIES, VIOLET  ELLEN       ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1905  M Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 557
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Death:
DAVIES, VIOLET  ELLEN       3  
GRO Reference: 1908  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 373
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DAVIES, WILLIAM  HENRY       ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 504

DAVIES, JOSEPH  FREDERICK       ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1908  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 575

DAVIES, MARJORIE         ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1910  J Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 598
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Death:
DAVIES, MARGERY         0  
GRO Reference: 1911  M Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 449
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DAVIES, RAYMOND         ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1911  S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 1158

DAVIES, NELLIE         ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1912  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 1179

DAVIES, LAWRENCE         ROBSON      
GRO Reference: 1914  S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 1220