Cyril BARTLAM of Broseley 1940

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Laurent Viton
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Hello , 

I'm seeking relatives of Cyril Duncan Watson BARTLAM , born 20 October 1917 at Madeley , deceased in 1998 . He was a RAF pilot and made prisoner of war in June 1940 .

Son of Archibald Bartlam and late Mrs Bartlam , he was married to Charlotte Bartlam and their home address in 1940 was 31 Hugh Streeet at Broseley .

Thank you .

Laurent

Michael J Hulme
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Hello Laurent

It appears that Cyril and Charlotte were married Q4 (Oct, Nov, Dec) 1939 shortly after the 1939 Register was compiled on 29 Sept 1939.  Charlotte seems to be recorded in the 1939 Register as a married house wife at Ellesmere so was she a widow when she married Cyril?

I can only find one child born to Cyril and Charlotte BARTLAM and that was a boy at Shrewsbury in 1946 so he could well still be alive.  I can't see him in the local phone directory and I can't see a marriage for him.

Mike

Laurent Viton
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Hello Mike , 

Many thanks , that is far appreciated !

Kind regards , 

Laurent

PhilPoole
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Hi Mike,

The birth you found in 1946 has mother's maiden name of Oakley - I found it on FreeBMD and confirmed it on General Registrar website.  Which made me wonder if Charlotte was a widow when she married in 1939, or simply born Charlotte M. Oakley. I guess buying the marriage certificate is the best way to determine this.

Then I looked at 1939 National Register on Findmypast and the Charlotte M. Oakley living in Ellesmere was indexed by herself, but looking at the image of the record shows she was living with Oliver Oakley (married) and a son Dennis Oakley who was born in 1837, with his mother's maiden surname of Tudor. There are a couple of other Oakley families on the same page. Therefore I'm thinking that Charlotte Oakley who married Cyril D W Bartram was a different woman. Again the 1939 marriage certificate should help clarify this.

What maks this even more confusing is that Cyril Duncan Watson-Bartlam married a second time to Joyce Lee in Stockport in 1948.

Hi Laurent,

Based on the info you gave on Cyril's birth I was able to find his birth record and his father, grandparents and aunts and uncles in the 1911 Census.His grandfather (Charles Ruby Bartlam) was born in Ironbridge and his grtandmother (Mary Ann) was born in Cumberland. Cyril's mother had the maiden surname of Edwards.

If you have access to Findmypast I suggest you look at 1911 Census (and possibly 1891 and 1901 Census), find Archie's siblings then look for them in 1939 National Register.

Hope this helps

Phil

Laurent Viton
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Thanks Phil .

I wonder if it is possible to find an living relative !

Regards , 

Laurent

PhilPoole
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Hi Laurent,

Based on my own experiences this is not an easy task, with mixed fortunes.I would advise you tread with care when you try to make contact, carefully expalin why you want to make contact, how you found them, and what your relationship might be with them. As I say I've had mixed fortunes finding some distant cousins from across the globe who I've since met and maintain regular contact with (mainly on family history matters), others I've made initial contact with but then they've suddenly stopped contact, and others who simply didn't reply!

Firstly I'd try to follow up on the son who was born in 1946, but as I can't find any further record for him (eg marriage, death, electoral roll, phone book listing) then that may be a dead end. Secondly I'd look at Ancestry website for family trees containing Cyril Bartram and contact the owners of those trees. I quickly found three different trees, including one with two sons born in 1952 and 1958.

Another trick that I know some have used is to simply Google the name or used the Linkedin website.

Last thought for now is to go back to the 1901 and 1911 Census records for Bartlam family, then try to find those names in the 1939 National Register on Findmypast - if you don't subscribe try a local library. Any name that appears in the 1939 NR is almost certainly dead now, but try to search for their marriages, then look for their posible children using FreeBMD website (or Ancestry or Findmypast). Then try to find them in recent electoral rolls or phone books.

Happy hunting!

Phil