Unable to find a birth registration for Joseph SPRAGG born c1838 Shropshire (1841 census, Upton Magna) I took a chance and sent for a birth certificate of a Male SPRAGG born the same year to a Mary SPRAGG , single woman (no fathers name), informant, ???? BREEZE, occupier, Spring Gardens, St Marys, Shrewsbury. An 1841 census look-up would be appreciated for ???? BREEZE, Spring Gardens. As I can find no death listing for a Male child, what would be the process, if he survived, as to his legal registration, ie Christian name. John
There is a Joseph SPRAGG on 1861 census marr to Sarah. Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation COWMAN Disability Where born Image SPRAGG, Joseph Head Married M 25 1836 Upton Magna, Shropshire VIEW SPRAGG, Sarah Wife Married F 40 1821 North Wales VIEW Piece: 1867 Folio: 50 Page: 13 Registration District: Atcham Civil Parish: Upton Magna Municipal Borough: Address: Hunkington Lane, Upton Magna County: Shropshire I can't find a marriage though.. Not on any other census. Could be death; Name: SPRAGG, JosephRegistration district: [?] Wellington (Shropshire) County: ShropshireYear of registration: 1900Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death:61 Volume no: 6A Page no: 640
Strange, just found a marriage BUT IN 1886 and in correct area for Parish of UPTON MAGNA !
Surname Given Name District Volume Page
Marriages Jun 1886
SPRAGG Joseph Atcham 6a 1228
AND IT IS TO A SARAH TIPTON. Maybe didn't marry her until then ????
Mike, many thanks for the info on the BREEZE family, will see if there is any connection to the SPRAGGs.
Also I've learned something new regarding Christian names on a birth cert, just thought un-named children died at or soon after birth and were listed as male or female.
Angela, I have all the info you posted, but I too can't find a record of his first marriage to Sarah from Wales. And you are right, he married Sarah TIPTON June 1886 (she born Pontesbury not Wales), they had two boys, Thomas (my grandfather) and Joseph. Sarah died 1891 aged 39 and Joseph snr. 1900 aged 61 on cert. Sons Joseph died 1914 and Thomas 1918.
Regards John
1841 census reads William SPRAGG & family living on Haughmond Hill by 1851 census the family were known by the name of SPREAD. Though Ann SPREAD was also known as Nancy SPRAGG who lived on the hill, dying in 1904 perhaps you should be looking for the name SPREAD.
An update to the post - found a listing for a marriage for Joseph 'Sprag' in 1859 at the Registry Office in Montgomeryshire and sent for the cert. Joseph 21 of Upton Magna, no father listed to Sarah Morgan 30 also of Upton Magna, father Evan Morgan, witnesses William and Elizabeth Morgan. But 1861 census ages don't match, were the census ages rounded up?
John
Hello John
In the 1841 census ages of adults were supposed to be round down to the nearest five years so that 44 became 40 and 49 became 45. For the 1851 census onwards ages should have been recorded exactly provided the enumerator was given the correct information.
You haven't said whether the marriage was by Banns or by Licence. If by Banns then the Upton Magna Banns book should be checked just in case it adds anything. If by Licence then you need to view or get a copy of the Licence, again just in case it adds anything.
Mike
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Hello John
You don't have to give any forenames for a child when registering the birth. If you look again at the index entry and then click to view the Original Image you will see a scan of a typed page (some are hand written) listing your male child. The next surname has a female child without any forenames. Some surnames have numerous entries without forenames.
Regarding the 1841 Census for Spring Gardens this starts at HO.107 Piece 927 Book 10 Folio 23 Page 1. It is in the Sub-District of St Mary Shrewsbury.
On Folio 27 Page 9 there is a family
Martha Breeze 40
John Breeze 20
Richard Breeze 15
Mary Breeze 10
Jane Breeze 6
Evan Breeze 2
The surname is only written once and is very difficult to read so the family might not be indexed correctly.
Spring Gardens ends at Folio 32 Page 18, unless it is split which I haven't checked. I can't see another BREEZE family in the street.
Mike